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    Breaking News, 1 Dead 4 injured at Port Orchard Wal Mart

    Just showed up in "News Crawl" at bottom of TV screen that two Police Officers and two Citizens were shot in front of Wal-Mart in Port Orchard.

    Detail sure to follow.

    Add: two in custody.
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    Wow. That sucks. It looks like it will be hell shopping there for me for a while. I'm one of the Port Orchard open carriers and Walmart is a frequent stop.
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    There must be something wrong with the planets today. A shooting this evening in Detroit. Someone walked into a police precinct with "pistol grip shotgun" and opened fire. Officers shot back and killed him. 4 officers wounded.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_812819.html
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    Yeah. There is something wrong...


    On the walmart shooting story... The witnesses said that they heard 1 shot then they heard many more fired very rapidly. It was apparently outside of the building. So... were the suspects being chased by police and then fired at them or did the police show up because of another crime and the suspects fired at them? I'm veyr confused since the suspects didn't fire before the police showed up. Maybe they were walking around brandishing their firearms and someone called the police?

    I wish there were more answers and details.
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    2 KCSO Deputies wounded, 1 suspect dead, 1 in custody
    More to follow on news.

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    Not good

    I just got the news myself when a cooworker mentioned it.

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/0...?storylink=twt#

    Not very good.
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    On the level of no more than rumor:

    Police initially were called to the Wal*mart for a domestic dispute.

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    The two officers were shot by the police...

    Be interesting to see what actually happened once there is more info available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomas View Post
    The two officers were shot by the police...
    Friendly Fire? You mean Officers shot at eachother? Where did you get that impression (i know you said just rumor, but is this what you meant?) - That'd be insanely sad.

    the "Offenders" were shot by the police ?? (correction?)

    - Waiting for more news with the rest of ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    Friendly Fire? You mean Officers shot at eachother? Where did you get that impression (i know you said just rumor, but is this what you meant?) - That'd be insanely sad.

    - Waiting for more clairification with the rest of ya.
    The officers being wounded by police fire was mentioned as part of the "breaking news" at the beginning of the 5 o'clock news on KING 5. That one mention is all I've heard of that, and they may have just misspoken...

    Unconfirmed reports that the young female victim transported to the hospital in Tacom may have died.
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    Can probably scratch the "friendly fire" rumor - the video on-line at KING 5 does NOT have that reference in it. Appears that the officers were wounded by the dead-at-the-scene suspect. Unsure who shot the young female who died at the hospital in Tacoma.

    Looking at the raw video from the KIRO 7 chopper, there are some very large pools of blood on the parking lot where the officers (and I assume the female victim) were shot.

    http://www.kirotv.com/video/26590305/index.html

    Looks like the dead-at-the-scene suspect who fired at officers is under a sheet about thirty or forty feet from the bloodstains according to the raw Chopper 7 video linked above.
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    Unhappy

    Just a thought, but "MWAG" calls responded to in the area may very well be a bit twitchy in the near future...

    From KIRO:
    "It happened at about 3:45 p.m. after deputies received a numerous calls, including a call from a bystander who was concerned about a man walking around with a gun, Wilson said.

    When three deputies arrived, the man ran away, then turned around and fired at a deputy. Deputies returned fire, Wilson said."


    From: http://www.kirotv.com/news/26589868/detail.html
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    I had left that parking lot not 15 minutes before the shooting. Scares me to death to think had I been there later, what could've happened. I have four young children.

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    Ya probably a typo from initial reporter. It's a sad situation, and indeed alarming. The wife and i moved there to live in a quiet corner of WA. After i seen some gang grafitti on the old gas staion, i felt a bit concerned. I wonder if the "suspicious" guy was from around here, or if there were gang relations - All speculation (more like internal thoughts)... but makes me wonder about the deaper implications of this situation. I open carry around Port Orchard often, any day it's not too cold or rainy. Probably gonna be a pain for a little bit, but, we are not the bad guys, and hopefully wont be treated as such.

    - I really wonder what the story is with the contactee that got slain.

    - My hopes and well wishes go out to the officers and any innocents that were injured or killed.

    P.S. .. Nat, were you open carrying? - I Often OC at Walmart. ... I think the suspicious guy might have been actively brandishing or making a scene with the firearm (not just walking along with it holstered) - just my thoughts.
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    Wal-Mart may not remain the "gun friendly" corporation they have been so far. In the last 6 days this makes incident #3 with gunfire at Walmarts. Kissimee , FL; N. Las Vegas, NV; and now this. Add the October shootout in Reno at a Walmart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Wal-Mart may not remain the "gun friendly" corporation they have been so far. In the last 6 days this makes incident #3 with gunfire at Walmarts. Kissimee , FL; N. Las Vegas, NV; and now this. Add the October shootout in Reno at a Walmart.
    This may be a gang problem. I have heard of some gangs making initiates go to Walmarts and commit crimes such as shootings. I hope their stupidity doesn't hurt us all more than just being gangs already does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post

    P.S. .. Nat, were you open carrying? - I Often OC at Walmart. ... I think the suspicious guy might have been actively brandishing or making a scene with the firearm (not just walking along with it holstered) - just my thoughts.
    No I wasn't. I had just went to Wendy's and drove thru the lot. Could've been the wrong place at the wrong time for me.

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    Here we go...." including a call from a bystander who was concerned about a man walking around with a gun at the store in Port Orchard"

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    2 dead now according to q13...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan9493 View Post
    Here we go...." including a call from a bystander who was concerned about a man walking around with a gun at the store in Port Orchard"
    I've walked around that store with an openly carried firearm many many times and never had trouble. Other stores include Safeway, Fred Meyers, etc. etc.

    - I think there is more to it than is being detailed. I have to assume he was waving it around, yelling and making a scene or something that caused attention. Not to mention he fired at officers as they attempted to contact him. I cant see this being a regular situation where he was casually minding his own business when the bystander called. I know some core-anti types call police and complain, but doesnt usually result in someone being shot at. Seems the caller may have seen or reported more than just a guy walking around with a gun .. 911 tapes might be interesting to hear. - Seems alot more is involved with this than we are aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    I've walked around that store with an openly carried firearm many many times and never had trouble. Other stores include Safeway, Fred Meyers, etc. etc.

    - I think there is more to it than is being detailed. I have to assume he was waving it around, yelling and making a scene or something that caused attention. Not to mention he fired at officers as they attempted to contact him. I cant see this being a regular situation where he was casually minding his own business when the bystander called. I know some core-anti types call police and complain, but doesnt usually result in someone being shot at. Seems the caller may have seen or reported more than just a guy walking around with a gun .. 911 tapes might be interesting to hear. - Seems alot more is involved with this than we are aware of.

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    I'm fairly certain the call was initiated by the man in question acting out. I open carry practically everywhere I go, except a couple of places to be quite honest. I've gotten gruff from Taco Bell and Walgreens twice, that's about as far as it goes.

    There's a wal-mart off bridgeport in Lakewood / University Place border that I regularly go to. I always carry openly in there and nothing is said to me, just a question or two asked once in a while.

    The suspect had to have been acting very odd or erratic. It would only make sense that something didn't quite fire right in his brain. Opening fire at Police was definitely the wrong move, but this is what happens when the wrong people get a hold of firearms. I honestly doubt Wal-mart is going to start banning firearms being carried due to a couple of bad apples. The vast majority of people who openly carry firearms aren't looking for trouble nor want any. This is probably another case where the suspect in question will probably end up having felony convictions or a psychiatric record.

    I worked at Western State Mental hospital and I can tell ya quite a few of the patients there talked about guns a lot. Would make sense if that were the case, but as details are revealed we'll know more I guess. What little info we have now will be all we have to go off of for the time being. The truth is always revealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Wal-Mart may not remain the "gun friendly" corporation they have been so far. In the last 6 days this makes incident #3 with gunfire at Walmarts. Kissimee , FL; N. Las Vegas, NV; and now this. Add the October shootout in Reno at a Walmart.
    It is likely when open carrying around this area for a while will draw undue attention, be good stewards.
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    Heya Jeph, Welcome aboard. ~ I agree 100% with your statement. Something had to have been out of sort for this character, why were the police contacting him in the first place, i doubt it was regarding the gun (i also presume it was concealed).

    - BigDave, Yes sir, i always do mybest to be a good ambasador, friendly and aproachable, as well as diplomatic. It is my general nature to do so, but a little extra effort when I am OC is good practice.

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    A tiny bit more info...

    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/0...s-account.html

    Not much and not that coherent, but at least something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post
    Heya Jeph, Welcome aboard. ~ I agree 100% with your statement. Something had to have been out of sort for this character, why were the police contacting him in the first place, i doubt it was regarding the gun (i also presume it was concealed).

    - BigDave, Yes sir, i always do mybest to be a good ambasador, friendly and aproachable, as well as diplomatic. It is my general nature to do so, but a little extra effort when I am OC is good practice.

    I hope all is ok for the officers.
    Thank you. I'm sure it wasn't concealed if the call was about him having a gun in the first place. I have an odd feeling he was brandishing and/or showing open exhibition of firearms (the unlawful exhibition of course), in which case it went from casual open carry to brandishing real fast. If he was running from the police then I am assuming a warrant or a felony conviction prior was found on him and he got scared. I can't speak 100% on the subject since I have very limited detail on the shooting, but with the information we do have about it, it would seem that he was acting awry. If you act what society would deem as "stupid," then you are definitely going to draw attention. Casual carry usually isn't called in to police often around this area at least. Kitsap County does harbor a lot of the meth users. I was previously engaged to a girl who lived in the Kitsap area in Bremerton, and the vast majority of people I met out there were drug addicts and the main drug of choice was either Marijuana or Methamphetamine, so chances are he could have been tweaked as well. I'm sure the autopsy will reveal more as well as the investigations. One can only hope that it wasn't someone just open carrying and being quick to squeeze a trigger finger.

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