xnetc9
Regular Member
Orange County is such a gun-free zone, it is quite amazing!
well, i'm going to have to rewrite the situation again.
my unarmed brother, UOC girlfriend, and UOC me went to the supermarket on beach/edinger (lat 33.738421° lon -117.988376° exactly) to buy some groceries. just as we walked 100 fet into the store, an unarmed security guard (this guy had nothing on him except a shiny star badge and a walkie talkie. not even a tazer, stun gun, baton, anything, no gun) came up from behind and the dialog went:
sec: hey, are those real guns? (again, with these rhetorical questions)
me: yes
sec: why do you have guns in the store?
me: we're allowed to have guns, it's the law (ok, what i mean was citizens have the right to carry guns)
sec: oh, okay. (then he walked away from us).
we got our stuff and paid for it. we spotted the security guard on the phone and we knew he was calling the police. nothing we could do about that... as we head for the door, he came up to us and told us 3 to wait at the lobby but didn't mention for what. since we didn't want to look like criminals or anything, we complied. he was on the phone describing what we wore and what we look like to the police. when we was done, he walked outside and left us in side the store.
about 3-5 minutes later, my brother saw the swat outside getting ready behind cover. my brother got his camera out and ready to record. when we were both ready, the swat signal us to come out. we walked up to the automatic door and as it opened, the swat yelled "hands up" "hands way up!" so we did. several scared customers were walking by without knowing right in the middle of m4 gunlines.
first, the swat told my brother to stop recording and put the phone down, which he complied. they told him to walk backwards, cuffed him, and took him 100 feet away.
next, my gf was called to move sideways and backwards. they cuffed her and took her gun. they took her 100 feet the other way.
lastly, they told me to walk backwards and then the cop took my hand and held my index fingers tightly. immediately i let the officer know "i do not consent to illegal search/seizures". the cop complied and asked if i had anything illegal. i said no. he said he will pat down for weapons, i complied. after that was done, he had me sit on the curb. at this point, i saw at least 5 cops with m4 machine guns, an additional 5 cops blocking entrances to the supermarket and a few others all around blocking streets. it was pretty heavy.
police tried to make small talk like "what do you carry?" "why do you carry?" so on so on... they asked for id, and i said no unless i am arrested.
they question my brother, but he refused to give id. i told them i do not consent to having my gun serial ID checked. the police said "i don't care, we do it anyway" and so he took it to the police car and ran a check.
my gf didn't have any id. while all this happened, the cops talk amongst eachother trying to find reasons for charging us such as: "cannot have empty mag in the gun" "cannot open carry within 1000 feet of a school zone". turns out, there was a school right behind the store. but as long as we are on private property, school zones dont apply. only if we step into the public streets, oh boy... that's different. well, seems like they didn't charge us for school zone.
fast foward 30-40 minutes later. they couldn't find anything to charge us with and let us go with out our weapons. YES without our weapons! we asked for our weapons, and they took it out of their trunk and gave it back to us. before we left, the police told us that the security guard wanted a word with us.
it went something like this:
super security guard with no weapons said: "i do not want any of you to ever come back to this super market with or without guns. you should know that this store do not allow guns"
me: "i didn't see any signs on the door that says no weapons." ( i saw a no pets sign, and some other business type stuff)
sec: "there's a no gun sign inside the store"
me: "well i didn't see it."
sec: "i am here to make sure our customers are safe and we do not want guns here" (how is he keeping people safe when he has no weapon himself? how would he deal with armed robbers?)
sec: "don't ever come back. this is a verbal tresspass notice. if you come here again, i will call the police and have you arrested." (while he said this. he stood quite tall among the 5 police behind him. he really felt like a cop this moment in time despite his failure to make it in police academy. infact, this is the only time in his life that he felt like he did something.)
with that, we all stood up with our guns (except my unarmed brother) in our holster and walked right past him and left him to talk to the police. went to our car and drove off towards walmart to buy some 9mm. right after that, we went to lowes without incident.
according to the police that held us, he mentioned that the douchebag security guard made a phone call and described to them that 3 armed men came in with guns drawn and were going to rob the store. i told them that we never had our weapons out. the whole time we had our weapons in the holster. the cops asked "Are you sure?!" we said yes, we never touched our weapons even once.
with this, i contacted davis so we can get OCP to acknowledge our UOC rights and not treat us like criminals.
well, i'm going to have to rewrite the situation again.
my unarmed brother, UOC girlfriend, and UOC me went to the supermarket on beach/edinger (lat 33.738421° lon -117.988376° exactly) to buy some groceries. just as we walked 100 fet into the store, an unarmed security guard (this guy had nothing on him except a shiny star badge and a walkie talkie. not even a tazer, stun gun, baton, anything, no gun) came up from behind and the dialog went:
sec: hey, are those real guns? (again, with these rhetorical questions)
me: yes
sec: why do you have guns in the store?
me: we're allowed to have guns, it's the law (ok, what i mean was citizens have the right to carry guns)
sec: oh, okay. (then he walked away from us).
we got our stuff and paid for it. we spotted the security guard on the phone and we knew he was calling the police. nothing we could do about that... as we head for the door, he came up to us and told us 3 to wait at the lobby but didn't mention for what. since we didn't want to look like criminals or anything, we complied. he was on the phone describing what we wore and what we look like to the police. when we was done, he walked outside and left us in side the store.
about 3-5 minutes later, my brother saw the swat outside getting ready behind cover. my brother got his camera out and ready to record. when we were both ready, the swat signal us to come out. we walked up to the automatic door and as it opened, the swat yelled "hands up" "hands way up!" so we did. several scared customers were walking by without knowing right in the middle of m4 gunlines.
first, the swat told my brother to stop recording and put the phone down, which he complied. they told him to walk backwards, cuffed him, and took him 100 feet away.
next, my gf was called to move sideways and backwards. they cuffed her and took her gun. they took her 100 feet the other way.
lastly, they told me to walk backwards and then the cop took my hand and held my index fingers tightly. immediately i let the officer know "i do not consent to illegal search/seizures". the cop complied and asked if i had anything illegal. i said no. he said he will pat down for weapons, i complied. after that was done, he had me sit on the curb. at this point, i saw at least 5 cops with m4 machine guns, an additional 5 cops blocking entrances to the supermarket and a few others all around blocking streets. it was pretty heavy.
police tried to make small talk like "what do you carry?" "why do you carry?" so on so on... they asked for id, and i said no unless i am arrested.
they question my brother, but he refused to give id. i told them i do not consent to having my gun serial ID checked. the police said "i don't care, we do it anyway" and so he took it to the police car and ran a check.
my gf didn't have any id. while all this happened, the cops talk amongst eachother trying to find reasons for charging us such as: "cannot have empty mag in the gun" "cannot open carry within 1000 feet of a school zone". turns out, there was a school right behind the store. but as long as we are on private property, school zones dont apply. only if we step into the public streets, oh boy... that's different. well, seems like they didn't charge us for school zone.
fast foward 30-40 minutes later. they couldn't find anything to charge us with and let us go with out our weapons. YES without our weapons! we asked for our weapons, and they took it out of their trunk and gave it back to us. before we left, the police told us that the security guard wanted a word with us.
it went something like this:
super security guard with no weapons said: "i do not want any of you to ever come back to this super market with or without guns. you should know that this store do not allow guns"
me: "i didn't see any signs on the door that says no weapons." ( i saw a no pets sign, and some other business type stuff)
sec: "there's a no gun sign inside the store"
me: "well i didn't see it."
sec: "i am here to make sure our customers are safe and we do not want guns here" (how is he keeping people safe when he has no weapon himself? how would he deal with armed robbers?)
sec: "don't ever come back. this is a verbal tresspass notice. if you come here again, i will call the police and have you arrested." (while he said this. he stood quite tall among the 5 police behind him. he really felt like a cop this moment in time despite his failure to make it in police academy. infact, this is the only time in his life that he felt like he did something.)
with that, we all stood up with our guns (except my unarmed brother) in our holster and walked right past him and left him to talk to the police. went to our car and drove off towards walmart to buy some 9mm. right after that, we went to lowes without incident.
according to the police that held us, he mentioned that the douchebag security guard made a phone call and described to them that 3 armed men came in with guns drawn and were going to rob the store. i told them that we never had our weapons out. the whole time we had our weapons in the holster. the cops asked "Are you sure?!" we said yes, we never touched our weapons even once.
with this, i contacted davis so we can get OCP to acknowledge our UOC rights and not treat us like criminals.
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