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    Bulletproof glass and metal detectors in al DPD precincts

    Plenty is sure to change in Detroit after a gunman walked into a police precinct on the northwest side yesterday and shot four officers before he was killed by return fire. Already, Mayor Dave Bing is talking about bulletproof glass and metal detectors in all precincts along with heightened caution and awareness inside police stations.

    Jan. 24, WJR-AM 760: "That is what we're going to do. There are a lot of suburban areas that have already done that. So we're behind the 8-ball at this point trying to focus on community policing, trying to make sure there's access from our citizens with the police department, and now an incident like this happens and it starts to put up a barrier and separate us even more. But I think we have a responsibility to protect our public safety officers at all cost."


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    They're afraid of the citizens they're supposed to (collectively) protect?
    You mean, the police don't prevent crime?
    And why should the PD have better protection than, say, the library (all those unarmed, defenseless children, you know)?

    It's sad that this happened, and sad that nobody could stop him before he injured those officers.
    But once again, this is a criminal we're talking about.
    Why make life harder for citizens just because of him?
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    So even with the additional security measures, could a citizen legally carrying a firearm enter the precinct? I assume they could. As long as it is legal to carry a firearm in a precinct, and the DPD does not try to prohibit law-abiding carry, I don't have a problem with the added security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    So even with the additional security measures, could a citizen legally carrying a firearm enter the precinct? I assume they could. As long as it is legal to carry a firearm in a precinct, and the DPD does not try to prohibit law-abiding carry, I don't have a problem with the added security.
    Since no laws have changed then yes you could carry there, however I see them turning anyone who is armed away probably rudely. Especially with metal detectors which I assume will be guarded by police officers.

    It goes to show you really can't be 100% "safe" anywhere. I am certain those officers felt nearly 100% safe. Until the gunfire started. I am thankful no officers were killed, and I hope they all have speedy recoveries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    ...metal detectors which I assume will be guarded by police officers.
    OK so to keep the police from getting shot... Police will guard the doors. ???

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    they don't need all that protection - they have a no weapons sign on the door. that should stop any armed attack right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    So even with the additional security measures, could a citizen legally carrying a firearm enter the precinct? I assume they could. As long as it is legal to carry a firearm in a precinct, and the DPD does not try to prohibit law-abiding carry, I don't have a problem with the added security.
    Wouldn't they try to claim that anywhere past a checkpoint with a metal detector would now be considered a secure area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    OK so to keep the police from getting shot... Police will guard the doors. ???
    I certainly understand the contradiction. However it would be cheaper to hire private security.
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    Yeah, private security has more authority anyhow, just ask a librarian.

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    If people think the city police have it bad at their workplace, think about all the other poor schmucks amongst us who have to work in gun free workplaces. At least the police have an army of armed and ready people inside their building. If that shooter would have went into a host of other places, just think of the bloodbath that could have ensued.

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    In order to get around pre-emption the state would have to introduce into legislation a law that gives local PDs the ability to set rules of conduct & safety (or somesuch thing) for all people entering the PD.......correct?

    Because if the state did that it would satisfy the last line of 123.1102.

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    If a law like that comes up for vote I seriously think it would pass. Anybody who voted against it would be labeled a "cop hater."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Yeah, private security has more authority anyhow, just ask a librarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Eagle View Post
    OK so to keep the police from getting shot... Police will guard the doors. ???
    I chuckled when I heard that too, but do you think cops will want rent a cops protecting them
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Wouldn't they try to claim that anywhere past a checkpoint with a metal detector would now be considered a secure area?
    I think you hit the nail right on the head, I believe that is just what they will try to do.
    from the pics I seen on the news, it looks like a bad design of the desk for maximum view of the door and windows.
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    Why aren't we hearing an outcry for the police to do more to clear crimes, arrest criminals, and improve public relations by improving professionalism and how they treat people? If they aren't safe, neither are the rest of us.

    And what about the donut shops? Will they get increased security in the form of barriers and detectors? Obviously the presence of several officers increases risk, not safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Wouldn't they try to claim that anywhere past a checkpoint with a metal detector would now be considered a secure area?
    Where does the "secure" area come into play? Is there something in the law that states that they can prohibit firearms in a secure area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    they don't need all that protection - they have a no weapons sign on the door. that should stop any armed attack right?
    Forgive me if this is out of place...but.....LMAO!

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