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    Some Leading Causes of Death in the US and reasons

    Heart disease: 616,067 -- hamburgers not working out enough. Ban McDonalds.
    Cancer: 562,875 -- cigarettes, **** in food, cars, industry. Ban anything that has carcinogens (including McDonalds)
    Diabetes: 71,382 -- hamburgers, fat kids. Ban McDonalds
    Cars: 42,643 -- drunk drivers, cars. Ban Cars and Alcohol.
    Firearm Murders 9,369 -- 45% are gang related, 30% are kids, almost all from illegal guns. Ban Guns.

    Ok, so what about we don't ban guns, but allow just police to carry guns?

    Killings by Police Officers: 200-300 per year
    Killing by Citizens of Crooks: 600-1500 per year
    Mistakes by Police Officers: 11%
    Mistakes by Civilians: 2%

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    While I'm willing to believe those numbers seem about right, they'd be a lot more convincing (esp. for the anti's) if you included citations to the studies that produced them. (Kinda like the GunFacts PDF does.)

    added: In fact, isn't "cite to authority" one of the forum rules? I remember something like that... have to look it up.
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    Eh, give me a break. It's just a point to be made...

    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    While I'm willing to believe those numbers seem about right, they'd be a lot more convincing (esp. for the anti's) if you included citations to the studies that produced them. (Kinda like the GunFacts PDF does.)

    added: In fact, isn't "cite to authority" one of the forum rules? I remember something like that... have to look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace View Post
    Firearm Murders 9,369 -- 45% are gang related, 30% are kids, almost all from illegal guns. Ban Guns.

    Ok, so what about we don't ban guns, but allow just police to carry guns?

    Killings by Police Officers: 200-300 per year
    Killing by Citizens of Crooks: 600-1500 per year
    Mistakes by Police Officers: 11%
    Mistakes by Civilians: 2%
    Just a side point to make to, "kids" many cases they include ages up to 25.

    I did an essay on this once and researched through cdc.gov and Doj,gov the statistics.

    You are right the majority are gang related and up to 95% of those who die by a firearm are "criminals". DOJ and CDC both have changed how you can get the statistics but if someone is studious and good at math they are still buried in there.

    "Accidental deaths" of children by my study are very very rare, under a certain age you are 900%+ more likely to die by the hands of your own parents than by a firearm (accidentally or purposefully), some who use guns to kill their children which would skew that statistic astronomically toward parent abuse statistic. Interestingly enough I think it was only 6 or 7% likely hood to die by hands of your father acting alone 27% by hands of mother acting alone been awhile since I looked into it could be a little fuzzy on the details.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace View Post
    Eh, give me a break. It's just a point to be made...
    It's the same technique the anti's use. Throw out 'facts' without a cite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    ...added: In fact, isn't "cite to authority" one of the forum rules? I remember something like that... have to look it up.
    Not in the sense you are trying to apply it. The rule specifically refers to assertions of law. Honesty in rhetoric, not the rules, demands citations when the factuality of an assertion is questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace View Post
    Firearm Murders 9,369 -- 45% are gang related, 30% are kids, almost all from illegal guns. Ban Guns.
    almost all from illegal guns... so if you ban guns that take away the legal guns... wait these murders where with illegal guns so we are going to ban the legal ones so that only illegal guns will be left? This makes since cause then they can remove the "almost" for that and just put "all for illegal guns" on the next survey.

    People are blind and stupid...

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    ... And 70% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    Arguments about objects that are more likely causes of death that firearms are legitimate only when you can back them up. I'd like to believe these numbers are true, but without access to the backing reports and no citations I'm effectively forced to reject them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pace View Post
    Eh, give me a break. It's just a point to be made...
    No, seriously, and I back up MKEgal's request.

    It's not that we don't believe you, as the stats look "about right" from what I've read, too, but when cited from properly researched studies, they pack a lot more weight, and I can use them elsewhere, such as on a few websites I frequent which are mainly packed with PhDs.

    They'll consider the studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunner View Post
    ... And 70% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    Arguments about objects that are more likely causes of death that firearms are legitimate only when you can back them up. I'd like to believe these numbers are true, but without access to the backing reports and no citations I'm effectively forced to reject them.
    Do you have a cite or source for that statistic?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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