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    Portage Daily Register Article - - Wisconsin doesn't need concealed-carry law

    http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedaily...cc4c03286.html

    Posted: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:45 pm | (5) Comments

    Gov. Scott Walker would like to pass concealed-carry legislation in Wisconsin. It is very possible that gun advocates will have their way and the law would allow anyone to carry guns in public with no permit and no restrictions.

    The law would likely not require any training or background checks. This proposal gun advocates cite as using the Arizona model.

    It is important to consider that since passage of the concealed-carry legislation in Arizona, their firearm homicide rate is more than double that of Wisconsin. Would our children and grandchildren be safer? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post

    It is important to consider that since passage of the concealed-carry legislation in Arizona, their firearm homicide rate is more than double that of Wisconsin. Would our children and grandchildren be safer? I don't think so.
    This is what's known as a specious argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    It is important to consider that since passage of the concealed-carry legislation in Arizona, their firearm homicide rate is more than double that of Wisconsin. Would our children and grandchildren be safer? I don't think so.

    Sue Bradley, Portage
    It used to be higher because of all the illegals! They'd murder someone, then get deported, then come back and do it again! Some people should do their research before spouting off misinformation and/or lies.
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    Reporters lying? What a shock.............not.
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    The reason their is so much gun violence in AZ is because of the Drug war that has spilled over into the USA & the Boarder states. Also the Reason the citizens of AZ wanted Constitutional carry is to defend themselves from the illegal drug dealing, kidnapping, police killing criminals. This article fails to point out that fact, talk about a news source NOT being fair & Balanced
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    Quote::

    "In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released its evaluation from a review of 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, and some original empirical research. It failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents. The same conclusion was reached in 2003 by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control's review of then-extant studies."

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    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    that used to be my english teacher in portage high school and she is so left that she has two left hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    It used to be higher because of all the illegals! They'd murder someone, then get deported, then come back and do it again! Some people should do their research before spouting off misinformation and/or lies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    The reason their is so much gun violence in AZ is because of the Drug war that has spilled over into the USA & the Boarder states. Also the Reason the citizens of AZ wanted Constitutional carry is to defend themselves from the illegal drug dealing, kidnapping, police killing criminals. This article fails to point out that fact, talk about a news source NOT being fair & Balanced
    Both very good points. No doubt about it, WI is not AZ. A lot of the issues that AZ has, we will never have. The border war is one that I can't even get into on this forum, as I am sure I would get banned if I got going. I can only say that to me it is an act of war. I feel for all Americans that live near the border of Mexico. Worst part is, I think we are just seeing the start of it all. I guess time will tell...
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    1: I assume you all have somehow verified her claim, that the murder rate in AZ is double WI's? I give little credence to any reporter that spouts statistics and figures with nothing to back them up.

    2: Given the low numer of comments, I assume the reader rate of this drivel is nominal

    3: Did you notice Doug made a comment?
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    we do have to worry about our northern border the crazy canadians and all
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    wisconsin doesnt need a concealed carry law? based on the theory that Open Carry will be respected by both the citizens and police............right?

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    Notice that she didnt compare IL to WI murder rate...? I dont have IL rate available...but that state has laws that most antis only dream about...yet the criminals dont obey them...whoda thunk?

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    What about the huge amount of crime in Alaska? If Arizona has so much gun violence simply due to their unlicensed carry laws then Alaska should be a close second right? Here is a summary of their firearm laws.

    Rifles and Shotguns

    * Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
    * Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

    Handguns

    * Permit to purchase handgun? No
    * Registration of handguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of handguns? No
    * Permit to carry handguns? No*

    According to the National Rifle Assc., "A permit to carry a concealed handgun is not necessary in Alaska, but permits are available to those who want to carry in states that recognize Alaska permits."

    Purchase
    No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun or handgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlockRDH View Post
    Notice that she didnt compare IL to WI murder rate...? I dont have IL rate available...but that state has laws that most antis only dream about...yet the criminals dont obey them...whoda thunk?
    It could be that the criminals just can't read well. We should start a criminal reading class. This way they would know all about the GFSZ, and other places that they can not use a gun. See, problem solved, crime goes down 50%.

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    She should have just said "I and a VERY small portion of the population believe Wisconsin doesn't need concealed-carry law." At least that would have been more along the lines of the truth.
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    I don't think Wisconsin needs a concealed carry law either.

    I think we need to do away with our current concealed carry law, and a few others while we're cleaning up the books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendon .45 View Post
    I don't think Wisconsin needs a concealed carry law either.

    I think we need to do away with our current concealed carry law, and a few others while we're cleaning up the books.
    Well put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronS View Post
    Well put.
    this. i do agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendon .45 View Post
    I don't think Wisconsin needs a concealed carry law either.

    I think we need to do away with our current concealed carry law, and a few others while we're cleaning up the books.
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    So how many of us have responded to this specious argument in print or online, so far... Me and Doug? Come on. Put it in print where it counts. Your just preaching to the choir here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    So how many of us have responded to this specious argument in print or online, so far... Me and Doug? Come on. Put it in print where it counts. Your just preaching to the choir here.
    Honestly because I dont feel the need. The reporters drivel is read by so few it would seem counter productive. I think I may have heard of Portage Wisconsin, couldnt find it on a map though.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1 View Post
    Honestly because I dont feel the need. The reporters drivel is read by so few it would seem counter productive. I think I may have heard of Portage Wisconsin, couldnt find it on a map though.
    OK BD, I just hope others don't follow your lead. Every time someone makes an asinine statement like that, we must meet them with an appropriate response. It took me 10 minutes to start an account and write two comments. If every time, they are met with logic and facts and not allowed to let their BS stand, we can change things in this state. It won't happen if we don't have 10 minutes to confront lies and rhetoric when the raise their ugly head.

    As for readers, I read it. Several others here read it and you can bet it was passed around elsewhere too. More people than you think are exposed to these leftist, liberal lies and must be confronted. Otherwise, the real waste of time is right here at the OCDO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    It used to be higher because of all the illegals! They'd murder someone, then get deported, then come back and do it again!
    Illegals who commit murder are jailed in AZ, not deported*. Mexico has asked Arizona to deport criminals who were subject to the death penalty. Arizona declined to do so.

    As for why AZ citizens wanted constitutional carry. Well I was an AZ resident for over 20 years until last month and I can tell you it had more to do with how silly it was that a simple permit suddenly allowed you to CC. Also, there was the whole shirt flap scenario. Is it concealed under the moving shirt flap or is it partially visible (as required by law to be considered OC and thus legal) as the person moves around? Additionally, there was the car transport issue. We didnt want to have to have our guns in the open.. stashed under an arm rest for instance was considered concealed carry. If some notebook or papers slid around on your seat and inadvertantly coverd your gun, that was an example of concealed carry.

    In short, the laws differentiating between OC and CC were just plain silly. In AZ there's not enough liberal politicians currently in power to block common sense and clearly stated Constitutional rights.

    To argue against anyone who opposes CC, one has to merely point out that in ALL instances(including AZ in spite of its huge influx of illegal aliens), the crime rate went DOWN after CC was instituted. There is no State example where the murder rate went up once CC was allowed.... not a single one.


    * Of those in AZ jails who have committed murder, 13% are illegal aliens, yet illegal aliens only make up 7% of the State population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1FASTC4 View Post
    Illegals who commit murder are jailed in AZ, not deported*. Mexico has asked Arizona to deport criminals who were subject to the death penalty. Arizona declined to do so.

    As for why AZ citizens wanted constitutional carry. Well I was an AZ resident for over 20 years until last month and I can tell you it had more to do with how silly it was that a simple permit suddenly allowed you to CC. Also, there was the whole shirt flap scenario. Is it concealed under the moving shirt flap or is it partially visible (as required by law to be considered OC and thus legal) as the person moves around? Additionally, there was the car transport issue. We didnt want to have to have our guns in the open.. stashed under an arm rest for instance was considered concealed carry. If some notebook or papers slid around on your seat and inadvertantly coverd your gun, that was an example of concealed carry.

    In short, the laws differentiating between OC and CC were just plain silly. In AZ there's not enough liberal politicians currently in power to block common sense and clearly stated Constitutional rights.

    To argue against anyone who opposes CC, one has to merely point out that in ALL instances(including AZ in spite of its huge influx of illegal aliens), the crime rate went DOWN after CC was instituted. There is no State example where the murder rate went up once CC was allowed.... not a single one.


    * Of those in AZ jails who have committed murder, 13% are illegal aliens, yet illegal aliens only make up 7% of the State population.
    Thanks for that information. It sounds a lot like WI, like if you reach to grab something on the top shelf and your jacket accidentally covers your firearm, it is then concealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Thanks for that information. It sounds a lot like WI, like if you reach to grab something on the top shelf and your jacket accidentally covers your firearm, it is then concealed.
    This is why winter carry is so hard for me. I got to get a new (short) coat I guess, but I get so cold...

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