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    VA State Gun - If Utah has one, shouldn't VA?

    If Utah has one, shouldn't VA?

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    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society...t-to-have-one..

    ...The Utah House passed a bill to designate the Browning M1911 as the official state gun...
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    Heard that on Doc Thompson's show yesterday. He was saying we should go further and adopt a state handgun, state rifle, state shotgun, state cartridge (caliber). Do it if for no other reason than to see Saslaw and Marsh's faces twitch during the committee meetings.

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    Hawken .50 cal
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    I vote for the 20mm rifle!!!

    http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
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    Fnp 45

    My choice for state handgun would be the FNP 45 made in Fredricksburg, VA. http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...020&gid=fng001

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    I would argue the 1803 or 1855 Harper's Ferry. At the time of manufacture Harper's Ferry was still in Virginia.

    Unfortunately, only field guns and artillery were produced at Tredegar. An infantry rifle manufactured there would have been an immediate first choice.
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    Richmond Manufactory of Arms.

    These rifles were the militia rifles for Va in the Revolutionary war.
    Then they were put in storage until the war of northern aggression.

    Then were modified to caplock and issued to the good guys.

    After the somewhat disputed end of the war, they were sold as surplus and many were made into very nice sporting rifles.

    In other words, these rifles were made in Va and used in Va. No plastic on them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    These rifles were the militia rifles for Va in the Revolutionary war.
    Then they were put in storage until the war of northern aggression.

    Then were modified to caplock and issued to the good guys.
    My only argument would be they lack a rifled barrel (like the 1803) if I am not mistaken.

    The 1855 was the first production model firing the Minie in .54 caliber and having a rifled barrel, a landmark development in firearms manufacturing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    My only argument would be they lack a rifled barrel (like the 1803) if I am not mistaken.

    The 1855 was the first production model firing the Minie in .54 caliber and having a rifled barrel, a landmark development in firearms manufacturing.
    Some of the converted ones had rifled barrels. Mine is rifled and is the rifle issued to my Great, Great, Grandfather.

    He was allowed to keep it because he was sent home to run his saltpeter making operation.
    Custer destroyed the operation when he ran amuck in the Shenandoah Valley (stole our gold watch too)

    Your right about the original configuration though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Some of the converted ones had rifled barrels. Mine is rifled and is the rifle issued to my Great, Great, Grandfather.
    That sounds like a fine weapon, indeed.

    I would love to see it sometime!
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    Virginia overran the Harpers Ferry arsenal early in the war, and brought the machinery back to Richmond. It was there they began to manufacture rifles almost identical to the 1855 Springfield rifled musket. The lockplate was marked "CS Richmond, VA". These pieces are now very rare and expensive, but I had the good fortune a few years back to clean and refurbish one such rifle for a neighbor whose great grandfather served in the Army of Northern Virginia.

    I nominate the "CS Richmond" to be the state rifle.

    http://www.oldsouthantiques.com/945-1.htm
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    Lots of good choices so far. Maybe we should come up with a list and have a vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Lots of good choices so far. Maybe we should come up with a list and have a vote.
    And present our conclusion to the GA for the 2012 session!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    And present our conclusion to the GA for the 2012 session!
    Sounds like a plan to me!

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    It would be nice if it were an arm that whosoever wish to have could obtain and carry. I am a fan of the curios and old rare items but to be able to hold, carry and use a state emblem would be something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuc65 View Post
    It would be nice if it were an arm that whosoever wish to have could obtain and carry. I am a fan of the curios and old rare items but to be able to hold, carry and use a state emblem would be something.
    We are talking about a state firearm. That should be a symbol of Virginia's heritage.

    Using a modern gun would be like putting Barb Wire on the state seal.
    Nice to look at but no class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    We are talking about a state firearm. That should be a symbol of Virginia's heritage.

    Using a modern gun would be like putting Barb Wire on the state seal.
    Nice to look at but no class.
    I am not saying it has to be a 'modern' arm, but the Browning 1911 is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moderator
    Rational decision.
    I'm just full of surprises today, ain't I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuc65 View Post
    I am not saying it has to be a 'modern' arm, but the Browning 1911 is.
    I guess you can call it modern... but it's a 100 year old design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p.publius View Post
    My choice for state handgun would be the FNP 45 made in Fredricksburg, VA. http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/fi...020&gid=fng001
    Where in Fredericksburg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    I guess you can call it modern... but it's a 100 year old design.
    Yes, I am aware of the 100th anniversary, some friends are planning a 1911's only 'shooting' party to celebrate this event.

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    Did someone say "State Gun" like maybe a cannon, something built in Virginia by Virginians and dedicated to freedom loving Virginians?

    Maaavelous, idea, perfectly maavelous.
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    [QUOTE=peter nap;1454525]
    After the somewhat disputed end of the war, .....QUOTE]

    End of the war? The war is over? I thought it was just half-time.

    I'll defer to the historians in the crowd, but I think it is a fine idea. I might want to look to a historical figure, and a critical moment in the Commonwealth's (or Colony's) history, and suggest the firearm he was using at the time.

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    [QUOTE=doug23838;1455908]
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    After the somewhat disputed end of the war, .....QUOTE]

    End of the war? The war is over? I thought it was just half-time.

    .
    No, there was a surrender but exactly who surrendered to whom, is uncertain. Alcohol was definitely a factor!

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