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WA State Senate nominee arrested in Vegas with for illegal CCW

Jeff Hayes

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Really? It's legal to conceal a loaded pistol on your person without a permit in NV while inside a motor vehicle?

Vehicles:
In a vehicle, a weapon may be concealed anywhere within
the vehicle, or it can be out in the open within the vehicle. The
only place it cannot be when in a vehicle is concealed upon a
person, such as under a jacket or in a pocket, unless that
person has a concealed carry permit.
 

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Vehicles:
In a vehicle, a weapon may be concealed anywhere within
the vehicle, or it can be out in the open within the vehicle. The
only place it cannot be when in a vehicle is concealed upon a
person, such as under a jacket or in a pocket, unless that
person has a concealed carry permit.

So if the gun was tucked into waist band, and was showing, would it not be concealed?
 

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Nrs 202.350

So if the gun was tucked into waist band, and was showing, would it not be concealed?

Well, the arresting officer seemed to think it was concealed, so now we get to see how a prosecutor and judge view it.

I think if the pistol was plainly visible at all, and since he informed the officer of its presence right off, he was well within the law as I understand it, keeping in mind that officer notification isn't necessary in Nevada.

If his shirt was covering it, well...then its anyone's guess, and he may facing a "category C felony".

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http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Legal/LawLibrary/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec3653
NRS 202.350 Manufacture, importation, possession or use of dangerous weapon or silencer; carrying concealed weapon without permit; penalties; issuance of permit to carry concealed weapon; exceptions.

1. Except as otherwise provided in this section and NRS 202.355 and 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, a person within this State shall not:

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(d) Carry concealed upon his or her person any:

(1) Explosive substance, other than ammunition or any components thereof;

(2) Dirk, dagger or machete;

(3) Pistol, revolver or other firearm, or other dangerous or deadly weapon; or

(4) Knife which is made an integral part of a belt buckle.

2. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 202.275 and 212.185, a person who violates any of the provisions of:

(a) Paragraph (a) or (c) or subparagraph (2) or (4) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty:

(1) For the first offense, of a gross misdemeanor.

(2) For any subsequent offense, of a category D felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

(b) Paragraph (b) or subparagraph (1) or (3) of paragraph (d) of subsection 1 is guilty of a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

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NRS 193.130 Categories and punishment of felonies.

(c) A category C felony is a felony for which a court shall sentence a convicted person to imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 5 years. In addition to any other penalty, the court may impose a fine of not more than $10,000, unless a greater fine is authorized or required by statute.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Las Vegas and possibly Clark County have their own set of gun laws? Laws that even require registration with the PD of firearms by "visitors"?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Las Vegas and possibly Clark County have their own set of gun laws? Laws that even require registration with the PD of firearms by "visitors"?

Visitors dont have to register pistols or get a Blue Card unless they are there for I believe 60 days, dont hold me to the 60 days. I looked it up because I go to Las Vegas frequently and I remember it was not even close to having to register. If Roy was going to Front Sight and staying in Vegas he would have exited Clark County (Vegas is in Clark County) and gone to Nye County (Front Sight is in Nye county) everyday thus starting the clock over again each day.
 

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Visitors dont have to register pistols or get a Blue Card unless they are there for I believe 60 days, dont hold me to the 60 days. I looked it up because I go to Las Vegas frequently and I remember it was not even close to having to register. If Roy was going to Front Sight and staying in Vegas he would have exited Clark County (Vegas is in Clark County) and gone to Nye County (Front Sight is in Nye county) everyday thus starting the clock over again each day.

Tyler had posted pics of him carrying his kid while OC'ing in Vegas.
 

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Visitors dont have to register pistols or get a Blue Card unless they are there for I believe 60 days, dont hold me to the 60 days. I looked it up because I go to Las Vegas frequently and I remember it was not even close to having to register. If Roy was going to Front Sight and staying in Vegas he would have exited Clark County (Vegas is in Clark County) and gone to Nye County (Front Sight is in Nye county) everyday thus starting the clock over again each day.

You are correct about the 60 days but I do not believe the clock would start over just because you left the county for the day.

http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html
 

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The accused is an inactive member of this forum.

A bit of decency with the comments would be nice. That is all.

(and no, it isn't me :p )
 
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A bit of decency with the comments would be nice. That is all.

(and no, it isn't me :p )

What? You mean we shouldn't immediately take the police reports and news reports at face value? (sarcasm)

I agree, I will state again that I will always side with the citizen/accused over the "authorities" until "proven" guilty. I'm just weird that way.
 

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What's funny is the reactions here based upon extremely limited information in this newspaper story.

No matter how he was carrying, he was legal while he was in the vehicle. The story states that he informed the officers before he exited the vehicle.

Did they order him out of the vehicle? Or did he get out voluntarily?
Did they give him an opportunity to secure the firearm before he got out?

He could have made a mistake, or they could have entrapped him. Can't tell from the information provided.

More questions than answers in the newspaper report.


The Spokesman Review has more information than any of the other news outlets (including the AP's blurb)

Read here:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jan/28/state-senate-nominee-murry-arrested-in-las-vegas/

There may be political reasons this made it into the AP such as the following:

Certain people are unhappy with the way Matt Shea's nomination to fill an open state Senate seat was made; Murry and another man, Baxter, were both nominated along with Shea to fill a seat. This is according to procedure as three people must be nominated to the County and then the County can choose from the three to fill the seat.

Diana Wilhite and Mike Padden both wish they were nominated, but they weren't; this is mentioned in the Spokesman article. Shea, Murry, and Baxter were nominated and both Murry and the other have stated that if they were to be selected, they would withdraw in favor of Shea. This was done specifically (and lawfully) to keep potentially ambitious or "career" politicians out of the running for the seat and to place Shea, who is very libertarian/conservative/tea-party into the Senate.

Since the more established (career) members of of the (R) party aren't happy with the conservatives on this side of the state and want a more moderate player involved in the party to take the seat, they're not happy about the way the nominations were handled despite the nominations being done lawfully and according to policy. The more moderate (R)s want a ball-player, not an idealist in office.

(Note that if no nominations were made, Gov. Gregoire would be able to appoint the position herself and we know how awful that would be.)

There's more to the story than what's on the surface and my guess is that the only reason this went all over the AP so quickly was to try to sully Matt Shea's reputation by associating him with the accused. Furthermore, the accused has always used a holster in any situation that I know of and is not the type to ever "Mexican Carry." I am willing to bet that it was either an OWB Serpa style holster or a secure IWB.
 
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"Sleeping in public", a misdemeanor? Seriously?

An ordinance like this is designed to protect the hotel industry. Without it you'd find thousands of people sleeping in their cars rather than having to shell out for a room. I went there on business back in '97 and had a motor home. I could park it in the Casino parking lot where our meetings were but I couldn't sleep in it.

It's probably illegal to sleep in a public place in the majority of cities around the country. If they were to fully enforce the ordinance could you imagine how busy they would be writing citations to all the drunks that live in the parks or on bus benches?
 

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An ordinance like this is designed to protect the hotel industry. Without it you'd find thousands of people sleeping in their cars rather than having to shell out for a room. I went there on business back in '97 and had a motor home. I could park it in the Casino parking lot where our meetings were but I couldn't sleep in it.

It's probably illegal to sleep in a public place in the majority of cities around the country. If they were to fully enforce the ordinance could you imagine how busy they would be writing citations to all the drunks that live in the parks or on bus benches?

Not Seattle. You are allowed to sleep in your car for 72 hours before you must move to another spot. Remember the guy they found dead in his car with a parking ticket on the window. He had not reached the 72 hour point and they had no authority for personal contact, only the authority to issue a parking citation.
 

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"Sleeping in public", a misdemeanor? Seriously?

It's an anti-homeless law and Hotel/Motel protection law for Las Vegas city.

It's what gives them the authority to keep bums off of the strip. (Of course, the bums are all over the place a mile or two from the strip because it's only enforced on the strip. Remember, Las Vegas is all about tourist dollars now that the organized crime is relatively low-key. Bums and squatters are bad for business.
 
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Bums and squatters are bad for business.

Even though the Casinos are pretty good at taking some peoples last dollar and turning some into bums and squatters.

Besides, all they'd do if they were allowed to beg on the strip would be take a few bucks from the tourists that the Casino's want for themselves.
 
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Even though the Casinos are pretty good at taking some peoples last dollar and turning some into bums and squatters.

Besides, all they'd do if they were allowed to beg on the strip would be take a few bucks from the tourists that the Casino's want for themselves.

LOL What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas... Except for thin envelopes from the bank and thrashings from your wife; that stuff follows you home.
 
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