eye95
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As I read it, yes. IANAL.
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Want a Utah permit? You might want to read this.....
- Thread starter Bill Starks
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As I read it, yes. IANAL.
Timjoebillybob
Regular Member
ETA Misread
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mrjam2jab
Regular Member
Correct. AL is not one of the 6 states that only recognize resident permits of the states they honor.
What about VT?
In the words of a famous man, "We don't need any stinkin permits!" Why do we need a government issued privilege card, where we can be regulated? Constitutional Carry is the only way to go!
60 days by statute. I've had students that have theirs in 30-45 and some take the full 60.
rpyne
Regular Member
Before you jump to conclusions about the proposed change to the Utah CFP, please take the time to read the bill, http://le.utah.gov/~2011/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0036S01.htm an to look into the reason it s being proposed.
I am a Utah resident, and from a purely RKBA point of view, I am not fond of the move, but I do understand why it is being proposed. The first responsibility of the Utah legislature is to protect the rights of Utah residents. In this case, that means doing whatever it takes to maintain the value, i.e. reciprocity, of the Utah permit.
Even though you will read many arguments to the contrary, last year Nevada stopped recognizing the Utah permit because it was losing revenue to the Utah permit. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments about the Utah requirements not meeting Nevada law, but that is pure hogwash. The Utah statutory requirement is almost word for word the same as the Nevada permit. The truth of it is that Nevada vested the power to interpret those requirements to the Police Chiefs and Sheriffs Association, whose members are directly affected by the revenue from permit fees.
We have been hearing similar things from other states threatening to revoke their recognition of the Utah permit if they continue to lose revenue to Utah. I agree, that it should be up to those states to fix it if they have a problem, the the reality is that it is much easier for them to drop recognition than to change their laws to require a resident permit for their residents.
The language of the bill specifies that it applies only to residents of states the either recognize the Utah permit or have a reciprocity agreement with Utah.
Since states like VT do not formally recognize the Utah permit, residents of VT and similar states are not subject to the requirement. Neither are residents of states like CA that are may issue and do not recognize the Utah permit.
To add to this, there is a bill in process to make Utah a constitutional carry state.
I am a Utah resident, and from a purely RKBA point of view, I am not fond of the move, but I do understand why it is being proposed. The first responsibility of the Utah legislature is to protect the rights of Utah residents. In this case, that means doing whatever it takes to maintain the value, i.e. reciprocity, of the Utah permit.
Even though you will read many arguments to the contrary, last year Nevada stopped recognizing the Utah permit because it was losing revenue to the Utah permit. Yes, I have heard all of the arguments about the Utah requirements not meeting Nevada law, but that is pure hogwash. The Utah statutory requirement is almost word for word the same as the Nevada permit. The truth of it is that Nevada vested the power to interpret those requirements to the Police Chiefs and Sheriffs Association, whose members are directly affected by the revenue from permit fees.
We have been hearing similar things from other states threatening to revoke their recognition of the Utah permit if they continue to lose revenue to Utah. I agree, that it should be up to those states to fix it if they have a problem, the the reality is that it is much easier for them to drop recognition than to change their laws to require a resident permit for their residents.
The language of the bill specifies that it applies only to residents of states the either recognize the Utah permit or have a reciprocity agreement with Utah.
Since states like VT do not formally recognize the Utah permit, residents of VT and similar states are not subject to the requirement. Neither are residents of states like CA that are may issue and do not recognize the Utah permit.
To add to this, there is a bill in process to make Utah a constitutional carry state.
Cavalryman
Campaign Veteran
I've toyed with getting a Utah permit for one reason -- Washington doesn't recognize the Alaska permit but they do recognize the Utah non-resident permit. I have no idea what the logic is for that. From Alaska, we travel through Washington a lot and it would be nice to be able to carry.
1245A Defender
Regular Member
well,,,
its weired that washington doesnt accept alaska,
because many hard a$$ states do, nevada, colorado, and south carolina,
are hard to CC in, and have higher qualification requirements, but
they take alaska,, go figure!
actually you should just get the washington non resident CPL!
its cheaper, and supper easier to get, and the utah CPL wont give you
any more benefits than the washington, and the alaska you already have!
its weired that washington doesnt accept alaska,
because many hard a$$ states do, nevada, colorado, and south carolina,
are hard to CC in, and have higher qualification requirements, but
they take alaska,, go figure!
actually you should just get the washington non resident CPL!
its cheaper, and supper easier to get, and the utah CPL wont give you
any more benefits than the washington, and the alaska you already have!
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mrjam2jab
Regular Member
But....VT does recognize the UT permit....the bill doesn't say "formally" recognize, as in formal written agreement...