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    Off duty Metro asked me, what was I carrying?

    Made a quick trip into Las Vegas Saturday evening, a little shopping for the wife. Was in three different Kohl’s looking for an item and went to her favorite bead store. No problems carrying in any of them. The bead storeowner knows us and has said he has no problem with me carrying. Went to In-N-out West Sahara near the 215. Sat next to a young family. We were there long enough to wait for our number to be called and finish eating. The young father asked me what I was carrying. Always wonder if there is a hidden agenda to the question when asked. I answered with my usual in a matter of fact attitude make, model, and caliber never knowing their intention for the question, adjusting my attitude as needed to their reply. He said his service weapon was the same however a 9mm. He said he was law enforcement. I asked are you Metro and he said yes. I said well thanks for protecting us. He said you are welcome. Most of the conversation was questions on my retention holster and he seemed to be in favor of me using a retention holster. He asked me if I had any problems with business not allowing me in with the firearm. I said most of the casinos would not allow the firearms however, no problem with the majority of the other business. He said yep the casinos do not like them as far as the other business, he said most probably realize a robber as a rule is not going to blatantly carry a well fitted holstered gun in the open. He said he had never encountered an open carrying person in public other than seeing the one group that carries on the strip a few times. About that time, his infant child was starting to fuss and he and his wife stood up getting ready to leave. I said well I know that group well. He said do you know Tim? Yes I do. He said well if you are friends with him I just do not agree with some of what he does. I said I am not a 100% on board with some of his ways and about that time his infant child was starting up again and his wife said we need to go. It really was a good time to end the conversation. I wanted him to leave with a positive experience with an open carry person that may be shared with his co-workers. It was a great meeting and good day of open carrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    Made a quick trip into Las Vegas Saturday evening, a little shopping for the wife. Was in three different Kohl’s looking for an item and went to her favorite bead store. No problems carrying in any of them. The bead storeowner knows us and has said he has no problem with me carrying. Went to In-N-out West Sahara near the 215. Sat next to a young family. We were there long enough to wait for our number to be called and finish eating. The young father asked me what I was carrying. Always wonder if there is a hidden agenda to the question when asked. I answered with my usual in a matter of fact attitude make, model, and caliber never knowing their intention for the question, adjusting my attitude as needed to their reply. He said his service weapon was the same however a 9mm. He said he was law enforcement. I asked are you Metro and he said yes. I said well thanks for protecting us. He said you are welcome. Most of the conversation was questions on my retention holster and he seemed to be in favor of me using a retention holster. He asked me if I had any problems with business not allowing me in with the firearm. I said most of the casinos would not allow the firearms however, no problem with the majority of the other business. He said yep the casinos do not like them as far as the other business, he said most probably realize a robber as a rule is not going to blatantly carry a well fitted holstered gun in the open. He said he had never encountered an open carrying person in public other than seeing the one group that carries on the strip a few times. About that time, his infant child was starting to fuss and he and his wife stood up getting ready to leave. I said well I know that group well. He said do you know Tim? Yes I do. He said well if you are friends with him I just do not agree with some of what he does. I said I am not a 100% on board with some of his ways and about that time his infant child was starting up again and his wife said we need to go. It really was a good time to end the conversation. I wanted him to leave with a positive experience with an open carry person that may be shared with his co-workers. It was a great meeting and good day of open carrying.


    It gets my vote as well.

    With all the negative encounters we read about, it's really nice to find one like this. Even when the bulk of the conversation is about the firearm, it isn't about the " OMFG... ...A G-G-G-GUN!"

    I appreciate your taking the time to post this.
    While many claim to support the right to keep and bear arms, precious few support the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    He said well if you are friends with him I just do not agree with some of what he does. I said I am not a 100% on board with some of his ways and about that time his infant child was starting up again and his wife said we need to go. It really was a good time to end the conversation. .
    Sounds good. I on the other hand agree 100% with Tim. Tim does not violate our rights and get by with cold blooded murder as a group in costume like metro does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    Sounds good. I on the other hand agree 100% with Tim. Tim does not violate our rights and get by with cold blooded murder as a group in costume like metro does.
    Thanks for the sounds good. I guess I should have clarified. I believe there is dozens of activists on open carry that have been great mentors and I have learned so much from. Tim is on top of the list. I enjoyed hanging out with him and the group and look forward doing it again. I believe Tim knows via a few of my replies and having dinner with him and a group of OCers what issues I am not on board with and we agree to disagree. I would be glad to share those issues with you if we are ever at the same meet up; I am not going to do here. I can say there are several people I agree with, including my Mom and not one would I say I agree with 100%. What a great asset to have a like-minded person you could say you agree with 100%. I believe I understand what you are saying with this statement, “Tim does not violate our rights and get by with cold blooded murder as a group in costume like metro does.” To clarified, would it be the same as saying in your mind Tim takes a strong stance against cold-blooded murder as a group in costume like metro? Just for info in the RJ today Thomas Mendiola, one of the Las Vegas police officers who shot and killed Erik Scott outside the Summerlin Costco last year, has been charged in a criminal complaint with unlawfully gives a handgun to a two-time felon.

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    So the cop said:
    He said well if you are friends with him I just do not agree with some of what he does. I said I am not a 100% on board with some of his ways

    It would have been fun to ask, Oh so you know Tim as well?

    It shows METRO's Lack of class that they would spread dirt about a law abiding Citizen who truly cares about his community. Tim has helped METRO improve their Department more than anyone else I can think of. Outside of knowing Tim pesonally, where would he get this uneducated opinion.

    Bottom line is Metro is actualy recognizing We the People. that is a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    So the cop said:
    He said well if you are friends with him I just do not agree with some of what he does. I said I am not a 100% on board with some of his ways

    It would have been fun to ask, Oh so you know Tim as well?

    It shows METRO's Lack of class that they would spread dirt about a law abiding Citizen who truly cares about his community. Tim has helped METRO improve their Department more than anyone else I can think of. Outside of knowing Tim pesonally, where would he get this uneducated opinion.

    Bottom line is Metro is actualy recognizing We the People. that is a start.
    By his attitude and tone of voice, I never would have concluded he was spreading dirt about a law-abiding citizen when he said he did not agree with some of what Tim dose. Just my opinion. I do agree do to knowledgeable and willing activists sticking to their guns Metro has been forced to actually recognizing we the people.

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    I do more to frustrate Metro than just OC. For example, if I am out and about with nothing to do, I will sometimes take a video camera and record a police stop. I do it because I know my stop was illegal, and I wished someone had been there videotaping me. When I see nothing wrong, I delete the video and go find something else to do. When DUI checkpoints/roadblocks are publicized, I show up and protest. I also take measurements and ensure compliance with the law. I OC 100% of the time I am doing this, and since June 2009, police have responded professionally when they encounter me OC.

    When I find them violating policy, procedure, or law, I file complaints with internal affairs. I have never sued them - it's never been about making a buck. I have never acted unprofessionally with them - they're people too, and I believe it's important to maintain that level of professionalism. Apparently, that hasn't gotten me as far as I had hoped, since the Metro officer in OP's post clearly disagrees with my methods.

    Like cops who say "If you have nothing to hide, why not let me search your car?", I say "If a police officer isn't doing anything wrong, he should have no objection to being videotaped." Or how about "If a police officer takes an oath to protect and defend the constitution, he should have no objection to a constitutionalist who is just making sure."

    Some of what I do could easily be construed as anti-cop, but those who know me well know that I am the opposite. I value peace officers, and praise them when praise is due. I respect the difficult job they have and admire those who do it well. I feel proud when police are able to catch the bad guy while going out of their way to protect his rights. It's what makes America great.

    It's when a situation no longer feels like the USA that gets my blood pumping.

    There are some cops who don't follow the rules. I like to think it's because of poorly written policies or training rather than an actual malicious officer, and I take steps to correct those problems. I like to think that some of my methods are only effective because I am such a hard ass. For example, if I choose to cooperate with police, one or two officers recognizes my cooperation, probably appreciate it on some level, and then they go away. On the other hand, when I refuse to cooperate with police, it weeds out the poorly trained officers and the badly written policies, and that's when my complaints lead to system-wide changes within the department.

    Following my June 2009 Open Carry incident in which I refused to cooperate, and followed up immediately with Internal Affairs, Citizen Review Board, and formal protest on the strip, department policy changed. Because of that incident, all officers were re-trained on Open Carry, and I firmly believe it is the reason Open Carriers are not only no longer harassed and detained, but treated with polite respect. There are other examples of policy changes I have effected within Metro that aren't really on topic, but I'd be happy to discuss them on the forum over at GuerrillaLawfare.com

    And to 28kfps - we do agree to disagree on a couple of things, but that's just another thing which makes America great! My methods aren't for everyone, and I get that. In fact, I think that only helps Metro become more accustomed to people asserting their rights. They do not encounter "20 Tim's" on the strip or at DUI checkpoints. They encounter 20 people from different backgrounds, different personalities, and different methods. And despite our differences, we still agree on one goal - assertion of our rights. It's a powerful message.

    I would be interested in more feedback from the officer regarding what specifically he doesn't like. But whether he likes them or not, I hope he at least recognizes my methods are 100% legal and effective as well.

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    Of the many things I have learned from posting on opencarry, you never know what direction a new posting will go. Tim this posting took an unforeseen turn sorry for you ending up being the main subject. Thanks for the update on your fight for our rights.

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