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    VFW Will Defeat Bachmann Plan

    "No way, no how, will we let this proposal get any traction in Congress."

    January 28, 2011

    WASHINGTON, D.C., January 28, 2011 — America's oldest and largest major combat veterans' organization announced it will do everything within its power to defeat a plan introduced by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) to cut $4.5 billion from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    "No way, no how, will we let this proposal get any traction in Congress," said Richard L. Eubank, the national commander of the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. and its Auxiliaries.

    On her website, the three-term congresswoman lists more than $400 billion in suggestions to cut federal spending. The VA suggestion would cap increases to VA healthcare spending, and reduce disability compensation to account for Social Security Disability Insurance payments — in other words, an offset. She says her plan is intended to generate discussion.

    "The only discussion the VFW wants is to tell the congresswoman that her plan is totally out of step with America's commitment to our veterans," said Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran from Eugene, Ore.

    "There are certain things you do not do when our nation is at war, and at the top of that list is not caring for our wounded and disabled servicemen and women when they return home," he said. "I want the congresswoman to join us in a tour of the Minneapolis VA Medical Center and Poly Trauma Center the next time she's in her home district to witness firsthand the great work the VA does every day to heal their wounds and ease their pain. Then I want her to look those disabled veterans in the eye and tell them their service and sacrifice is too expensive for the nation to bear.

    "The day this nation can't afford to take care of her veterans is the day this nation should quit creating them," said Eubank.

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    The Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. is a nonprofit veterans' service organization composed of combat veterans and those who currently serve in uniform on active duty or in the Guard and Reserves. Founded in 1899 and chartered by Congress in 1936, the VFW is the nation's largest organization of war veterans and its oldest major veterans' organization. With 2.1 million members located in 7,600 VFW Posts worldwide, the VFW and its Auxiliaries are dedicated to "honor the dead by helping the living" through veterans service, legislative advocacy, youth scholarships, Buddy Poppy and national military service programs. The VFW and its Auxiliaries volunteer more than 13 million hours annually in community service to the nation. For more information or to join, visit the organization's Web site at www.vfw.org.

    Contact: Joe Davis, Director of Public Affairs, VFW Washington Office, 202-608-8357, jdavis@vfw.org

    Just me sayin' it boys and girls, don't get me wrong I think Michelle Bachmann is a great gal, but she's way out of line on this one.
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    Cut it. And taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Cut it. And taxes.

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    Agreed

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    but of foreign wars?

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    I am of the firm opinion that the best thing we can do for our veterans, is insist that our government stop creating more of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    but of foreign wars?
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Cut it. And taxes.

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    +1,

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    (Never used the VA or a dime of VA money.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    but of foreign wars?
    If the VFW presumes to speak for all veterans, then all veterans are entitled to speak in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    "The VA suggestion would cap increases to VA health care spending, and reduce disability compensation to account for Social Security Disability Insurance payments."

    Another lib equating a cap [no increase] in spending to a cut [decrease] in spending.

    This reduction is a good reduction. A good start.
    Read your bold text. REDUCE disability compensation to account for SSDI. That's a cut.

    For years, organizations I belong to have been fighting to allow retirees to receive full retirement AND VA disability payments, on the premise that they earn both. I don't see where this is different. If you're going to cut Social Security for everyone (a goal I support, though on a long timeline to account for (rash) promises made), that's one thing -- but you don't cut it just to veterans.

    Don't get me wrong. I believe VFW (of which I'm a life member) is wrong on this issue -- their "the only discussion we want is .... " is totally off base. Entitlements will HAVE to be reduced, but it cannot be a short-term process. Whether or not we should have done so, we as a nation made promises which we must keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    +1,

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    (Never used the VA or a dime of VA money.)
    If a Vet needs it, then they need it, and shouldn't feel ashamed for using what's been offered to them by a gracious general public. Those who don't need it or choose not to use it and mistakenly believe their good fortune qualifies as a point of pride (it doesn't) set's up a lot of other vets for failure.

    FAIL. Particularly when it's a fellow vet this sort of smugness sets up for failure.
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    Others: "Cut THEIR money. Not MINE."

    Me: "Cut it all. And taxes."

    BTW, cutting does not mean eliminating all benefits. A tremendous amount of money could be saved by eliminating the VA Department, with its bloated overhead, and by ending the practice of double-dipping, whereby some collect BOTH a percentage of their base pay as disability and an unreduced portion as retirement. There was a time when someone due a 75% retirement with a 50% disability would receive a total of 75%, the 50% would simply be tax-free and the remaining 25% would be taxed as retirement. A relatively recent change allows the two to be stacked.

    When you consider some of the crap they pass off as "service-connected" "disability," this is crap. When I retired, they tried hard to convince me to take a disability. "If you don't claim it now, it is almost impossible later." "How's your back?" "Your feet hurt?" Disgraceful. I had the normal aches and pains of any 40-year-old who worked any job.

    My back hurts more than it did at 20. My feet hurt more than most folks' do in their mid-fifties. But, that's LIFE, not "service-connected" disability. Almost all of the retirees I know take advantage of this (for most) unjustified benefit. They wonder why I didn't use the fact that I had bouts with sciatica and plantar fasciitis while on active duty to claim a disability. I dunno, maybe because, even though I could have buffaloed them into giving me a disability and would not have been really breaking the law, it still would be WRONG.

    Anyway, the VA can take its share of cuts by removing its departmental status, by ending the double dipping, and by being a little less liberal in handing out (and I do mean "handing out") "disabilities."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Others: "Cut THEIR money. Not MINE."

    Me: "Cut it all. And taxes."
    Ditto.


    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    BTW, cutting does not mean eliminating all benefits. A tremendous amount of money could be saved by eliminating the VA Department, with its bloated overhead...
    My guesstimate is that if you converted the total budget of the VA into private health insurance for veterans, including 100%, no-deductible coverage for service-related conditions, it would probably by the premier Cadillac plan in the country.

    It would also eliminate the problem of sub-standard care perpetrated by those who are protected by government employment.


    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    When you consider some of the crap they pass off as "service-connected" "disability," this is crap. When I retired, they tried hard to convince me to take a disability. "If you don't claim it now, it is almost impossible later." "How's your back?" "Your feet hurt?" Disgraceful. I had the normal aches and pains of any 40-year-old who worked any job.

    My back hurts more than it did at 20. My feet hurt more than most folks' do in their mid-fifties. But, that's LIFE, not "service-connected" disability. Almost all of the retirees I know take advantage of this (for most) unjustified benefit. They wonder why I didn't use the fact that I had bouts with sciatica and plantar fasciitis while on active duty to claim a disability. I dunno, maybe because, even though I could have buffaloed them into giving me a disability and would not have been really breaking the law, it still would be WRONG.
    This would have been my reply to since9, although I don't have anything specific I can point to that I could claim to be "service related". Some of my colleagues and acquaintances use the VA for specious reasons, which can only be called "service related" by the most ethereal of connections.

    If anyone wants to preach about denying care to veterans who have earned it, they should start in the waiting room of their nearest VA clinic.
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    Starve the beast. Cut taxes at the Fed level until they are reduced to something similar to their constitutional boundaries.

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