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    Hello everyone I'm new here so a little about myself before I vent.
    I'm 25 hispanic brown and tattooed but that has nothing to with me as a person or the kind of citizen I am. I own guns and I enjoy shooting, purchasing, and the comfort of having a gun in the home. I work my 40+ hours every week I pay taxes I'm insured and I'm licensed well I was. I never open carried nor do I have my ccw. So recently I had a couple drinks with my friend by couple I mean 4-5 budlights. I got in my vehicle and dove bad mistake I was not what one would consider drunk not even buzzed. I got pulled over the officer gave me 3 different reasons for stoping me. As soon as the cop gets to my truck I tell her officer I just want to make you aware I have a gun in my truck (it was on the seat I just didn't want to catch a pueblo beat down) there were 4 other officers there she says put your hands on the ceiling I did another cop comes to the passenger side opens the door takes the gun and clears it ( gun not loaded) so cop says you know why I stopped you I say no mam she says you were doing 60 in a 40 I said no way I just turned the corner. Than a little bit later she says I was hiding from her being suspicious to which I have no response (in my head yeah I'm suspicious I'm brown and driving down the street at 1:30) So she asks if I've been drinking I have no response she said will I consent to a road side and I say no mam will I consent to a BA no mam but I'll take a blood test just to buy time because I know I drank but it was a while ago and I know .02-.08 is a dwai .08 or above is dui so I'm just trying to buy time. So I am handcuffed and searched she finds one live round in my pocket and starts getting all angry asking if I had just unloaded my gun when I got pulled over I said no. she said why do you have a round in your pocket I have no reply (the round was in my pocket from shooting earlier in the day I dropped it in the dirt and just put it in my pocket. She says I know you took the magazine out and cleared the gun still no reply. We get to the police station they begin to draw blood im there for about 45 min they keep sticking me and can't get any blood so finally I say I'll take a BA my arms were bruised for 2 weeks from them trying to draw blood. I blow hot .1 somethin I might have the numbers wrong to which her reply is wow you hold your liquor good I couldnt even tell you were drunk. Off to jail 13 hours in a holding cell disgusting cell by the way finally get called out the booking officer tells me I can't get out since I had a gun its a no bond. So I get put upstairs in general population for 3 days dont get out till tuesday night. I've never been in jail or in trouble my whole 25 years as a person. So I lost my license and as of now till I think after court I can't own or poses a firearm. So as my way of saying **** the system once I can I'm gonna open carry everytime I got to walk to the store since I can't drive or every time I leave the house. Granted I was wrong in starting my vehicle and driving I had no intention of harming anyone or doing anything I felt. So now that I have temporarily had my right to poses a firearm taken from me I'm going to exercise my right to own and carry from here on out and never have that right taken from me again.

    Sorry about the long post I just need to vent. And before you criticize me I know I messed up but I'm no criminal far from it. Honest people make mistakes.

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    laqkd

    Now this is done and you are in the crap we wish you well, I do anyway.

    I am about to post some things that may make you even more angry, but take it in the way I present it - simply to analyze the post you made.

    First “brown and tattooed” are you aware that most non-police in Colorado have no problem with the brown part? We do need to be honest about the tattooed part, what does that bring to mind - be honest, now add the LEO problems with criminals in this state.

    Racial profiling and impression profiling bias is a fact of life when dealing with the police. Do you actually think that an Asian or White male with large tattoos will get any less of a ration of crap from LEOs - be honest.

    No laws exist about LEOs lying to you (so many can and will) - but you cannot lie to LEOs and that is the reality of the country we live in. An officer is likely never going to admit to profiling (ethnic or impression) at a stop (it could be recorded), and once an LEO has a stop you can expect that extensive searching for reasons to drag you (or anyone) into the system will be applied this is the general training that is extended to most LEOs now. This situation becomes worse if an officer is stressed or embarrassed.

    If you had 5 alcoholic beverages - that is not a few - and then you got behind the wheel - you have to understand that you were going to come up “hot.” I don’t think that you or anyone deserves that type of crap from any LEO but I and others will have a problem giving you a complete pass about the alcoholic beverages and driving. (You have noted this yourself in your post)

    As far as ending your problems and legally open carrying your arms you will have lots of support here, your ethnic background is no deterrent to exercising your Constitutional rights and that is the law.
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    I am not upset with the LEOs or the situation as far as brown n tattooed it was more of a joke on my part. I have no ill feeling to any of the officers involved and I take full responsibility for my actions. Not even mad that I lost my license I should not of drove and losing my license is the result. How ever I'm upset about not being able to poses a firearm and I am also upset about being in the holding cell for 12-13 hours with 8 other people the bathroom was full of poop on the seat and walls. And I am mad about having to go upstairs to the actuall jail for 3 days with absolutly no previous record or offences on my part. I just think the system is designed to make money off people who are hard working law obeying citizens. Example I work a job that pays me 45-50 thousand a year. So for me its' going to be ankle braclet pay every month plus pay for every UA and BA not to mention all the fines I am going to have to pay. First time offense in CO atomatic 2 years with an interlock on your vehicle pay every month plus the fees to maintain it. If they can make a dime off you they will. If I had no money no job and didn't care about the law I would do my 10 days in jail get out maybe maybe finish my probation and the classes and continue to drive uninsured and with out a license. I just think the system needs to change to help the average blue collar worker and not be made to help the people don't care. Again I'm just a little upset. I have been here many times before and love reading the posts and I love the people that post. I just felt like you are the kind of people to talk to.

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    O yeah the third and final reason for the stop which she put on the ticket was running a red light which I also didn't do because if I did she would not of given me those bogus reasons in the begining I think she just needed something to put down as a reason to initiate the stop. If I was her I would of put swerving or driving irradicaly at least it fits with the DUI.

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    I just think the system is designed to make money off people
    That is very true, not a penny to victims but tons to the state, prisons, jails, contractors and efforts to increase the size of the state.
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    Dupe post.
    Last edited by Gunslinger; 02-11-2011 at 01:19 PM.

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    Why didn't you get a lawyer? You wouldn't have spent the time in jail. How were you finally released? You haven't gone to court yet, I assume, so why are you already talking about your sentence? If you blew a .1, you never should have been driving, but I would guess you know that now. Maybe you were profiled, but you also were a potential killer behind the wheel. I would bet the cops were fishing for a dwi and the fact you're Hispanic was secondary to your simply being on the road at that time of night. For your information, as you are misinformed about the likely sentence:


    Jail time for a first offense is at the discretion of the judge assigned to your case and can range up to one year according to the Colorado DUI Law. First time offenders rarely get jail in Colorado however. The new law (as of July 1, 2010) calls for a minimum of two days in jail for a first DWAI and five days jail for a first DUI. See Penalties After July 1, 2010 The minimums may be excused or electronic home monitoring allowed if the offender completes probation. Some judges, in the Clear Creek County Court for example, routinely impose some jail even if you are a first time offender. If you had an accident or a high BAC - over 0.15 - then the chance of jail time on a first offense increases dramatically. Over 0.20 BAC jail is mandatory, even for people who have never had a single traffic ticket before! Except in rare cases the court will usually impose alcohol/substance abuse treatment at the time of sentencing. Recommended alcohol education and treatment for a first DUI ranges from 12 hours to 86 hours. If you are assigned the maximum allowable alcohol education and treatment expect to invest 110 hours of your time to completing probation.

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    It's worth noting that possession of a firearm and ammo while legally intoxicated is also a criminal offense. Not on a wise course if you ever want to be issued a CHP - either.

    For what it's worth my wife is "brown" , and my precious 26 year old granddaughter who is technically 3/4 "brown" - but "whiter" than I am - has two beautiful children ( one "brown" & one "white" ) lost her "brown" father to a "white" DUI driver between Pueblo and COS about 6 years ago. For what it's worth the "white" DUI driver is still sitting behind "gray" bars - you might want to reflect on that somewhat "unCOLORful" prospect down the road.

    I think your present dilema is a result of poor choices regarding your CONDUCT - not "color".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rushcreek2 View Post
    I think your present dilema is a result of poor choices regarding your CONDUCT - not "color".
    Nor the system. My sister was busy playing Ms. Honor Student and neglected to pay a traffic ticket. She got pulled over again and went to jail. No priors, etc. etc. But the law is the law. All of us told her the consequences and she refused to heed them. You were intoxicated, driving, and in possession of a firearm. Whether the reason for pulling you over was bogus or not, those were not bogus charges. From one brown tatooed man to another, that's not a problem with the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laqkd View Post
    Sorry about the long post I just need to vent. And before you criticize me I know I messed up but I'm no criminal far from it. Honest people make mistakes.
    Yes, we do. In time, you'll work through and/or get over this one. In the meantime, take a deep breath, get some exercise, whatever it is you do to relieve stress.

    Writing about it is certainly a valid way, so long as it's not spooling you up more than the steam you're letting off.
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    Get a lawyer...in the future never agree to do the omvi checks...done.

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    I'll be interested to see how this turns out for your future with being legal to own a gun.
    Remember Colorado has what's called "Baby Brady" as in their own level of background check after the federal check.
    Any arrest that was of the sort that the federal Brady check would get you on, Colorado gets you, regardless of the outcome. It's a whole new level of headache to get around that and get the end result of the case considered instead of the initial arrest charges.
    Nothing they caught you on should have been a felony arrest, but I don't know what else they might get you on.

    I'm curious about what was their problem with the gun at all (aside from the DUI). A round in your pocket? so what. They thought you might have emptied it as you were stopped? I'd think they'd prefer that to having it loaded and ready.
    Colorado doesn't have anything in law about a handgun being unloaded during carry.
    It's a non-issue. It won't even come up, and they were silly in bothering about it. Officious, obstructionist, bothersome, and nosy about something that was nothing.

    Good for you, in all that nosy nonsense, not replying.

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    Sorry to hear about what happened. Next time, don't talk to police:

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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    I agree dont talk to the police,

    But I do take offense to the tattoo part.

    I am a LEO as aswell as brown and tattooed. There is a huge difference between indecent tattoos which should invoke a certain things. Mine are religious.

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    Get a good lawyer, and if they can prove that the cops had no reason to pull you over then your case will be thrown out. but of course thats a big IF

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    sorry an no sympathy from me here. you drank and then drove. The fact that you can apparently "hold your liquor (or beer in this case) doesn't mean a thing to me. If you aren't responsible enough to not drink and drive I don't think you deserve the right to carry a firearm with you. Sorry if that makes you mad....

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    laqkd,

    First of all, please use better sentence structure. Your first post is an eyesore. Put some damn paragraphs in there.

    Secondly, stop trying minimize your stupidity. You messed up, stop making excuses. I have a HUGE problem with your quote here:
    Granted I was wrong in starting my vehicle and driving I had no intention of harming anyone or doing anything I felt
    Oh really? So as long as you didn't MEAN to harm anyone, it would've been fine if you ended up killing someone else because you were driving your vehicle drunk. I mean after all, you weren't TRYING to hurt anyone right?





    As far as the firearm goes: Are you really that stupid?! It's a bad idea to have 1 beer and have access to a firearm, let alone 5. Personally, I don't think you posses the responsibility necessary to carry.

    You tell us this story, and then say that YOU'RE mad? Here, I have the world's smallest violin for you.
    Get yourself some common sense, you're making the rest of us look bad.

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    You were drunk and in possesion of a firearm while driving.
    You are wrong on all counts. Take your punishment.
    No sympathy here!

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    Drunk driving is no different than walking down the street randomly shooting a gun, the car is the bullet, what it hits is anyones guess. You get no mercy from me, I know too many people killed by the driver who only had a couple of beers.

    I hope your case is over and adjudicated or you really should not be posting in open forum, anything can be used against you.

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    Honest people do make mistakes. And you certainly did. A BAL of .1 that many hours after your last drink means you were blasted. You had no business in a car or anywhere near a gun. Learn from it. Honest people don't make the same mistake twice.

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    Howdy Amigo!
    I will try to be a bit gentler than some of the responses you've gotten. But my opinion is going to match what others have said already.

    You had no business behind the wheel of a motor vehicle to begin with,
    and absolutely no business with a handgun under the circumstances.

    In essence, you blew it. Badly.

    As for dark skin with tatoos, I'm sorry but that doesn't wash either.
    I took my CCW class last Saturday, and the instructor is a dark skinned man with an abundance of tats. He also has a long service record that includes sheriff's offices in two states, FBI, CIA, plus army shooting instructor and shooting instructor for Navy Seals. He has a distinguished law enforcement career and now owns a business of his own that trains people in handgun courses, security teams and personal protection agents.

    Bottom line, you done wrong.
    But don't look badly on the situation. Don't be angry.
    Learn from the experience and become a more responsible citizen as a result.
    You've got a great opportunity here to turn your direction around in a positive way, and didn't rack up a manslaughter charge along the way. It may be bad, but it could have been far worse.

    The only thing you need to do now is to decide that pointing your finger in another direction still leaves three pointing back in yours. Accept the responsibility of your error, grow beyond it, and learn from it.

    Driving a car is a huge responsibility. Owning a firearm is also a huge responsibility.
    Neither is the sort of responsibility that is enhanced for the better over a 6 pack of Bud.

    I'm pulling for your to take the shot that's coming your way, accept that you were wrong, and strive to be a more responsible citizen from now on. I hope you'll take up that challenge and prove yourself in years to come.

    But as for now, I can only hope you make better choices in your life.

    Blessings,
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    no, you're not a criminal.


    but you did drive after having 5 drinks


    don't drink and drive. if you do, don't bitch about it when you get caught.


    being mexican and tattooed probably had nothing to do with your arrest. drinking 5 beers did. own up to it, learn from it, and move on.

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