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    How's that Gun Ban going?

    Anti's say that if we had a complete, national firearm "ban", things would be MUCH better. Bloomberg, New York City Mayor, says if the US had a gun ban, NYC's violent crime rate would be non-existent because neighboring states are to blame. Being an island, imho the UK is a model test of that theory. Here is the latest "data":

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...frica-U-S.html

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    Sounds like mexicos gun problem, our fault too. This is like saying the blizzard is because of global warming.

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    It's all been said before...

    The gun ban is working exactly as the government expected since gun bans are not done to reduce crime but as a step to achieve complete control of the populace.
    Freedom can never be lost, only given away by ignorance, by choice, or at the point of a gun. Here in America we can still choose.

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    Crime pays. The .gov makes a fortune from crime, everything from added taxes for law enforcement, to fines and fees for years from the criminals, to the taxes generated from our purchases we make to replace what is loss as a result of the criminals actions, to health care costs for the same reasons, drugs and property siezed from the criminals and taxes and property gained from the death of the victims, special programs, research, and on and on and on it goes.

    Gun control is a multi billion dollar a year business. An armed populace simply does not need a police force, all they would be doing is hiding behind billboards and bushes waiting to steal from the people for breaking one of their traffic club rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    Noticed Australia is second...hum... I'm sure strict gun control has nothing to do with this.....................
    That says Austria not Austrailia.

    Edit : I thought the same thing when I first read over it. Then realized it was Austria. Surprised Austrailia isn't higher on the list anyway.
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    Angry

    It's doing fine as intended.Control the law abiding(the majority of the people) by using the 'law".
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    Quote Originally Posted by VW_Factor View Post
    That says Austria not Austrailia.
    Damn old age, and poor reading comprehension.
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    The gun ban seems to be working for Egypt. Their government is corrupt and not removing itself despite the people's cries, and the people are virtually powerless to stop it. This would all already be over already if they had guns.

    And here people thought the second amendment was about hunting.
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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    The gun ban seems to be working for Egypt. Their government is corrupt and not removing itself despite the people's cries, and the people are virtually powerless to stop it. This would all already be over already if they had guns.

    And here people thought the second amendment was about hunting.
    But the news said they have baseball bats,crowbars and molotov cocktails!Don't that count?
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    Yup ham&eggs like the old saying ( like bringing a Knife to a Gun fight !)

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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    The gun ban seems to be working for Egypt. Their government is corrupt and not removing itself despite the people's cries, and the people are virtually powerless to stop it. This would all already be over already if they had guns.

    And here people thought the second amendment was about hunting.
    Just hope people here in The U.S. start to realize this… (what the second amendment is really about)...

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    They won't know what they have got until its gone.

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    Bad argument

    The 'ban guns' argument is not well considered.

    If we look at the REAL beneficiaries of the right to bear arms, it's the old and infirm. After all, conceivably, the able-bodied could retreat. BUT the old and infirm, people in wheelchairs, canes and so forth, can NOT retreat, neither can they withstand as much injury. Grave bodily harm is too high of a standard for them.

    I digress a bit but the point is, those who are weaker, women, older people, or disabled should have the right to an equalizer and pointed keychains and mace does not dissuade the true predator.

    In addition, I think it should be made easier for women, the disabled and the elderly to OC and CC, in fact, why not have government subsidies for their first handgun?

    If our g'ment truly cared about our safety they'd enact that tomorrow.

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    I don't want to start down the slippery slope of deciding who is able bodied or to what extent, regarding the exercise of certain rights. I have yet to meet anyone able bodied enough to retreat at a faster rate than a bullet can advance.

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    Yes, We all know how well Alcohol prohibition worked out, and drug prohibition is keeping this Country off of Drugs as well, so its a natural progression, outlaw guns and the gun crimes goes away. */sarcasm off/*
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I don't want to start down the slippery slope of deciding who is able bodied or to what extent, regarding the exercise of certain rights. I have yet to meet anyone able bodied enough to retreat at a faster rate than a bullet can advance.
    Right. I was trying to make a counter-point argument against the idea of a gun ban. Those truly too weak to defend themselves by fighting or running need to have access to lethal (counter)force. So rather than change laws, take into account that some people can't retreat or take punishment (physical assault) and they deserve to be enabled to defend themselves.
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    [QUOTE=Badger Johnson;1459641]The 'ban guns' argument is not well considered.

    If we look at the REAL beneficiaries of the right to bear arms, it's the old and infirm. After all, conceivably, the able-bodied could retreat. BUT the old and infirm, people in wheelchairs, canes and so forth, can NOT retreat, neither can they withstand as much injury. Grave bodily harm is too high of a standard for them.

    I digress a bit but the point is, those who are weaker, women, older people, or disabled should have the right to an equalizer and pointed keychains and mace does not dissuade the true predator.

    In addition, I think it should be made easier for women, the disabled and the elderly to OC and CC, in fact, why not have government subsidies for their first handgun?

    If our g'ment truly cared about our safety they'd enact that tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

    It's not about safety. it's about control as you well know.
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    Thumbs up

    True, but the right to defense without having to, or with or without the ability to retreat should belong to everyone. I see where you are coming from, perhaps a better approach would be to better promote the knowledge of the rights and use of those rights to those groupls you have correctly mentioned.

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