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    OC'er discharges weapon in Tatoo shop

    I have only recently been OCing in Bellingham, the "City of Subdued Excitement". Yesterday an OCer went into a Tatoo shop here. The owner asked him to empty the weapon and he complied by giving the magazine to the owner. The owner returned the mag, the OCer inserted it in the weapon, pulled the trigger and discharged the weapon. It was an "accident" , noone was injured, the owner called 911, AND THE OCer RAN AWAY. The words, training, complacent, tired, not paying attention, come to mind.

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    Where did you hear this? Is there a news outlet that is reporting it?
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    Someone needs to be smacked, who the hell slaps in a magazine and even thinks about pulling the trigger?

    I can understand if he wanted to be sneaky sneaky and have one round in the chamber but damn how do you forget?

    I'll wait for a link to an article before I take this seriously however.


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    Here's the link: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011...#disqus_thread

    I would say, however, that calling this guy an OCer is jumping to conclusions here. It's very possible that the guy just took off his jacket and only then did the tattoo artist notice. Either way though, the guy was being negligent with his firearm.

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    Came up last nite online B'ham paper. Main article w/more info online at Bellingham Herald site

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    Shouldn't be a problem finding the guy if he's gone there several times. Easier spotted with tattoos. Dude needs to own up, he made it much worse by running.

    But that's a new one, no "live" firearms. Maybe the artist is known for making tattoos real painful.


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    In this tatoo shop, we require absolute SAFETY!


    Instead of leaving your firearm untouched, and in its holster like you would in other dangerous tatoo studios, we require you to remove yours and handle it as much as possible while loading and unloading it.....

    ....all in the name of SAFETY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenIsFaster View Post
    Shouldn't be a problem finding the guy if he's gone there several times. Easier spotted with tattoos. Dude needs to own up, he made it much worse by running.

    But that's a new one, no "live" firearms. Maybe the artist is known for making tattoos real painful.
    Yah, my guess is the guy wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun in the first place, which is why he ran.

    The no live firearms thing was goofy. Little did they know, that f-in around with a firearm when it's safely secured in its holster made the situation even worse.

    As for the tattoo place, when I was looking into getting one...didn't even come up on my radar. Didn't hear anything spectacular about the place, and in the comments section people are talking about how sketchy the owner is. Not that that has to do with the dimwit firing off a round while putting a magazine back in his gun.

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    Police officers could learn a thing or two from this incident. Maybe it's just better to leave a firearm in the holster than to handle it while "clearing"., Somehow or another, I can't see a holstered firearm discharging itself.

    These "accidents" always seem to happen when someone's unnecessarily handling the weapon.

    It does make one wonder if the person really is qualified to be carrying a firearm is he's dumb enough to pull the trigger after replacing the mag. Maybe he's dyslexic and thought he was clearing it before putting it in storage.(_?_)
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    The shop owner's name is Chucho Garcia.

    The article states that, "The man had gotten tattoos at the shop before and was getting lettering done on his shoulder Wednesday."

    Any bets on any of the following:
    • "Mexican Carry" (no pun intended) EDIT: Oops, I was (partially?) wrong on this one! He did have a holster.
    • Unlawful possession of firearm by prohibited person
    • wants and warrants for customer
    • stolen firearm
    • firearm associated with another crime


    I realize that I'm making some assumptions here but based on what little information we have, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one, if not two or three of the above are applicable. Ah, the power of profiling.
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    A tattoo artist noticed the man had a gun in a holster at his waistband
    So much for the "Mexican Carry".

    Good guesses on the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    So much for the "Mexican Carry".

    Good guesses on the rest.
    Ah, serves me right for not catching all of the details of a short article.

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    NOT an "accident"

    Unless there was a mechanical failure that could not have been prevented by the carrier, it was NOT an "accident", it was negligence pure and simple. People need to own their idiocy and stop trying to lighten the blame in these stupid situations.

    There was plenty of blame to go around on this one too, from the "handle your firearm as much as possible" policy of the store owner, to the absent mindedness of this guy while handling the gun, and not initially counter proposing to remove the firearm WHILE in the holster, then storing it in a drawer or someplace else nearby and out of site.

    I have had a few jittery barbers ask me to unload or put it in my car before I sat down I their chair. None have ever refused that counter proposal.
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    The police were able to track the guy down: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011...l-gunshot.html

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    I heard this on the news today it was reported as accidental discharge and so does this latest link. Is it clear he pulled the trigger? And none I saw reported it as an OC'er.

    I think it's a good time to reflect that more and more people are getting guns, that the likely hood of stupid things and stupid people and "accidents" will happen. We need to stay ever vigilant to fight against those who will portray these incidences as a rationalization to restrict our rights.
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    Everyone keeps talking about him removing the magazine and reinserting it. What about the round in the chamber? I'll bet his booger hook was on the bang switch when he put the mag back in.
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    Sounds like the guy at the Tat parlor got a lesson too. Next time he'll ask em to clear it too....
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    I'm confused...

    Why ask to have the firearm handled at all? That is the lesson, do not remove the firearm from the holster, do not handle the magazine, do not unload the round, do not load the magazine. DO NOT HANDLE A FIREARM unless on the range or in the act of self defense.

    Both the client and the tattoo parlor should be ashamed of their behavior and ignorance of firarms.
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    My guess is the Tattoo shop wants to put forth this "bad ass" image but really are just clueless.

    Or maybe they all still have criminal traits and a gun on a person makes them uncomfortable.

    But you are right nick, there was no need to handle the firearm if it was in a holster.
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    That's why there is a simple safety maxim - do not handle firearms in public. In fact that is our argument to minmise restrictions on carry - governmental or private rules forcing people to handle, unload, re-load their firearms creates unnecesary risk.

    If the owner/agent demand you unload or hand over the firearm, refuse!

    If told to leave, Leave!

    Safety first, file a complaint later.

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    In my area most tattoo shops also perform "piercings". This shop almost performed one of a different nature. Wonder what kind of jewelry they would have installed in the resulting hole if it had hit anyone? Hole would probably be big enough for a bicycle lock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That's why there is a simple safety maxim - do not handle firearms in public. In fact that is our argument to minmise restrictions on carry - governmental or private rules forcing people to handle, unload, re-load their firearms creates unnecesary risk.

    If the owner/agent demand you unload or hand over the firearm, refuse!

    If told to leave, Leave!

    Safety first, file a complaint later.
    A good reason not to volunteer to handle/hand over firearm during a "consensual" police stop too.
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    It's clear tatoo parlors possess more danger than first assumed, i call for an immediate ban in the name of public safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
    it's clear tatoo parlors possess more danger than first assumed, i call for an immediate ban in the name of public safety.
    lol.....
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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