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Video, Longwood Police Chief and others on SB1250

epilogue

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After the water jug tests I've seen, I would never ever shoot 410 out of a Judge for self-defense against anything but snakes.

Trip aut buck magnum does a pretty good job against vermin... and faces.

The Judge is a wonderful tool for those who have a hard time hitting what they aim at.
 

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Did I understand the Longwood Police Chief correctly? From what he said it sounded like if they see a gun in your car, that is probable cause. Does he mean any gun, or only if they see a sawed off shotgun?
 

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Did I understand the Longwood Police Chief correctly? From what he said it sounded like if they see a gun in your car, that is probable cause. Does he mean any gun, or only if they see a sawed off shotgun?
I believe that is essentially what he said. Interesting thought... how does violating a school policy give them grounds to pierce Fourth Amendment protections against unqualified criminal investigations?

TFred
 

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I believe that is essentially what he said. Interesting thought... how does violating a school policy give them grounds to pierce Fourth Amendment protections against unqualified criminal investigations?

TFred

That's the same question that was going through my mind while watching the video. So the Longwood Police Department thinks that violating a school policy gives them probable cause to search your vehicle. That's nice.
 

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One almost gets the idea that this fellow, campus LEO(??), would see no problem and would in fact, believe it to be proper and within the purview of police authority in Virginia to do the same thing if he were to pass by a car in a parking lot (off campus) and notice a firearm in plain view inside of a car. While doing this, leaving a firearm unattended is NOT smart, it is also nowhere near reaching the level of PC, let alone RAS from my understanding (I welcome any corrections to this from you folks).

And his use of the word "terrorist" was deliberate because he knows perfectly well the visceral reaction that word conjures up when spoken by a member of the law enforcement community. They are viewed by the general population to have expert knowledge of all matters pertaining to said subject and of firearms as well so any way they can bend their comments and remarks a little is going to have an effect on people.

I wonder how he would react if he saw one of us walking down the sidewalk across the street from the university in Farmville, sidearm in full view?
 

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did that sorry excuse for a police officer actually say that VCDL was a terrorist organization and that the gun in question was a 'terrorist' weapon?
 

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did that sorry excuse for a police officer actually say that VCDL was a terrorist organization and that the gun in question was a 'terrorist' weapon?

No I said I have heard VCDL refereed to as an terrorist organization. This was about eight years ago when I was at a terrorist briefing meeting. It was brought up by someone other than the trainer though.

:confused:
 

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No I said I have heard VCDL refereed to as an terrorist organization. This was about eight years ago when I was at a terrorist briefing meeting. It was brought up by someone other than the trainer though.

:confused:
It would be my humble opinion that saying "VCDL is a terrorist organization" would be way more indicative of terrorist traits than anything VCDL might bring to the table.

ETA: And the fact that there are certainly some in government who would disagree with that ought to scare the pants off anyone with half a brain!

TFred
 
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It would be my humble opinion that saying "VCDL is a terrorist organization" would be way more indicative of terrorist traits than anything VCDL might bring to the table.

ETA: And the fact that there are certainly some in government who would disagree with that ought to scare the pants off anyone with half a brain!

TFred

Both astute observations.
 

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Mine has a 6½" barrel and is 16½ overall.

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That's an AOW, not a shotgun.

Hell...a gun shop can't even sell a pistol-grip-only Mossberg (eta: 18"+ barrel, 26"+ OAL) to an 18 year old since it isn't legally a "shotgun" under federal law...it is a firearm but not a shotgun. Shotguns are legally defined as a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder.
 
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peter nap

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That's an AOW, not a shotgun.
Hell...a gun shop can't even sell a pistol-grip-only Mossberg to an 18 year old since it isn't legally a "shotgun" under federal law...it is a firearm but not a shotgun. Shotguns are legally defined as a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder.

Come on now Nova...
Don't go on what gunshop owners tell you. A pistol gripped shotgun that meets both LOA and barrel length restrictions is NOT an AOW.
 

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Sorry I was referring to Ed's picture, which is a Serbu Super Shorty...an AOW. I then went on to say that a dealer cannot transfer a pistol grip only shotgun to someone under 21 since it by definition is not a "shotgun" since it cannot be fired from the shoulder.

Sure they can. A shotgun, rifle or pistol is designated a Rifle, shotgun or pistol, when it's manufactured. It is shipped to the dealer with that paperwork.

It makes no difference if it has a folding stock, fixed stock or pistol grip as long as it has the shotgun designation, and is of legal length.
 

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That's an AOW, not a shotgun.
Hell...a gun shop can't even sell a pistol-grip-only Mossberg to an 18 year old since it isn't legally a "shotgun" under federal law...it is a firearm but not a shotgun. Shotguns are legally defined as a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder.

Persuader.

Yes, it's a shotgun.

The picture above is of an AOW made from a pistol grip shotgun.

If it had a butt stock then it would be converted into an SBS, not an AOW.

$195 difference for that, even though the end product is the same.

Stupid Democrat Laws.
 
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"A firearm with a pistol grip in lieu of the shoulder stock is
not designed to be fired from the shoulder and, therefore,
is not a shotgun."

That's right from BATF.

This is why Mossberg sells the 500 Persuader with a shoulder stock mounted on the firearm, and includes the pistol grip in the box. It is sold as a shotgun, so it can be transferred to an 18 year old. After it is purchased by the 18 year old, it can be changed to any non-NFA configuration he wishes since the specified law covers transfers from FFLs and not possession.

sorry Peter Nap for hijacking your thread, I'll be quiet now.

No...looks like you're right. I'm glad I don't have an FFL anymore. Those idiots have gotten worse about twisting the rules.
 

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The alleged 'Terrorist' was a former Longwood employee

It seems Chief Beach was referring to this woman:

Longwood Employee Fired after Gun Found in Vehicle

A firearm was found in a Longwood-registered vehicle in the Brock Commons parking garage on Nov. 5, according to a press release from Longwood University. The owner was identified as Amherst County resident Valerie Lynn Epling, also known as Valerie Lynn Tomlin, an administrative and office specialist in Facilities Management at Longwood University.

Epling had a sawed-off shotgun in her vehicle, possession of which is a class four felony. A warrant was obtained for Epling, and she was arrested by the Amherst County Sheriff's Department on November 6 for a felony possession of an illegal firearm.

"The discovery of the firearm in Ms. Epling's vehicle reflects very well upon the alertness and professionalism of the Longwood University Police Department," said Associate Vice President for Marketing & Communications at Longwood Dennis Sercombe.

"I do feel this speaks to the level of vigilance that the LUPD provides in its day to day efforts of keeping the Longwood community safe, and the level of professionalism displayed each and every day by our officers," said Longwood Police Chief Bob Beach.

Beach explained that there would be a preliminary court hearing from Epling sometime in December at a date yet to be determined. He added the investigation of some elements of the case is still ongoing.

A Longwood University police officer noticed the firearm in the car after parking his police vehicle.
 

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I can't believe I wasted all this time reading posts arguing the semantics of what an AOW and a shotgun are. What I want to know is if Peter found out anything with the court document and if this was really a sawed-off shotgun.
 

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I can't believe I wasted all this time reading posts arguing the semantics of what an AOW and a shotgun are. What I want to know is if Peter found out anything with the court document and if this was really a sawed-off shotgun.

Thanks Repeater. You beat me to it.
T Dubya, it's sketchy right now but it does appear she had an old fashioned sawed off shotgun. I haven't gotten the make and model yet but will.

There are a few unanswered questions right now and some indignation.

First, I want to know what terrorist organization she belonged to.
Why was a suspected terrorist working in an administrative position at the college?
Why did the Chief present this as if this was an unknown person at the school.

I need some information from the package which isn't available today. It should be tomorrow.

Did the campus cops stop the vehicle or did the county?
Was the college policy the RAS for the stop as the Chief said...or was it that there was a sawed off shotgun exposed. How was that RAS since a short barrel shotgun is not illegal in Va?
 
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persuader.

Yes, it's a shotgun.

The picture above is of an aow made from a pistol grip shotgun.

If it had a butt stock then it would be converted into an sbs, not an aow.

$195 difference for that, even though the end product is the same.

Stupid democrat laws.

aow? Sbs?
 
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