Anyone interested in a UNOrganized Civil Disobedience Constitutional Carry Rally ?

dbhsig · Feb 6, 2011

I've been lurking here for a long time, but I signed in to post in this thread. I'm from Maryland, so I don't have a dog in this fight but it made me think.

What a difference between the left and the right. Civil disobedience is harder for us on the right. We have real jobs and responsibilities - families that depend on us - and no huge organization to fund us when we get busted for standing up for our rights. Plus we just tend to obey the law...

Now the average lefty is usually backed by a well organized machine (probably Soros funded) and are usually young and have no responsibilities beyond an occasional shower. It's so easy for them - they have little to lose and are usually more like pawns in the game anyway.

Just kind of thinking out loud, sorry to interrupt...

(My daughter and here husband lived in Madison up until about a year ago - I spent many an hour at the farmer's market. )

HandyHamlet · Feb 6, 2011

I signed on for a rally. Not sign waving. Or civil disobedience.

Nutczak · Feb 6, 2011

dbhsig said:
What a difference between the left and the right. Civil disobedience is harder for us on the right. We have real jobs and responsibilities - families that depend on us - and no huge organization to fund us when we get busted for standing up for our rights. Plus we just tend to obey the law...

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Sort of like the last presidential inauguration huh? Even though 1,000,000 people attended, only fourteen missed work that day!

McX · Feb 6, 2011

Be innocent of instigation, (retreat, retreat, retreat).

Venator · Feb 6, 2011

Wrong link on 3 percenters. Try this http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html

HandyHamlet · Feb 6, 2011

Venator said:
Wrong link on 3 percenters. Try this http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html

3% is great.

If you are actually naive enough to think that wars are fought and won only by the guys in the field.

I'm joining the .00000000000001% ers. Which included Ben Franklin only. The guy who went over to France and ensured our alliance. And a navy. And Spain.

But hey, you and your 3%ers are totally cool. I mean it takes a special person to want to be cannon fodder.

1245A Defender · Feb 7, 2011

well,,,

LR Yote 312 said:
If the only point is to get arrested...I got better things to do.
My time is too valuable to spend a weekend in jail.

LR Yote

Venator said:
So said the true patriot.

Venator said:
Our founding fathers had much more to lose and a greater chance of losing it than you, yet thank god they took the risk.

LR Yote 312 said:
Are you offering to pay my bail ?
Put a roof over my families head ?
Feed my family??

I just spent 20 months unemployed.
So unless you are ...I suggest you S*T*F*U* and DONT tell me
whats worth losing.

LR Yote

Venator said:
It's an attitude of not standing up for things that have gotten us to this point. People make up all kinds of excuses. We all have families, and things to lose, thank god for the 3% http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html

anmut said:
Alright let's take a breath. Some may chose not to come for fear of prosecution. It's understandable and we shouldn't rush to judge their patriotism or convictions.

Think back to the Revolution and I'll bet that there were many men left out of the history books because of the same reasons.

Let those that want to witness history watch from the bleachers and those that want to change history dig deep within to fight for liberty.

(also, go pack go!)

HandyHamlet said:
3% is great.

If you are actually naive enough to think that wars are fought and won only by the guys in the field.

I'm joining the .00000000000001% ers. Which included Ben Franklin only. The guy who went over to France and ensured our alliance. And a navy. And Spain.

But hey, you and your 3%ers are totally cool. I mean it takes a special person to want to be cannon fodder.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

paul@paul-fisher.com · Feb 7, 2011

HandyHamlet said:
3% is great.

If you are actually naive enough to think that wars are fought and won only by the guys in the field.

I'm joining the .00000000000001% ers. Which included Ben Franklin only. The guy who went over to France and ensured our alliance. And a navy. And Spain.

But hey, you and your 3%ers are totally cool. I mean it takes a special person to want to be cannon fodder.

So true. I don't think we are at the point that we need civil disobedience. We need to make logical, fact based arguments that provide political cover for our elected officials.

Unfortunately, none of 'them' are willing to fall on their swords to get us Constitutional Carry. They are willing to advance a cause they believe in only up to the point that they can still be re-elected. Unfortunately, they know that only a small percentage of the electorate is passionate about Constitutional Carry. The rest of the population wants their families to be safe, have a roof over their head.

We have to bend their minds to take us seriously and realize that what we are asking for is not 'dangerous' for them.

I'm not saying I am happy about it, just saying what the reality is.

Venator · Feb 7, 2011

HandyHamlet said:
3% is great.

If you are actually naive enough to think that wars are fought and won only by the guys in the field.

I'm joining the .00000000000001% ers. Which included Ben Franklin only. The guy who went over to France and ensured our alliance. And a navy. And Spain.

But hey, you and your 3%ers are totally cool. I mean it takes a special person to want to be cannon fodder.

Aaah Franklin was part of the 3%. He risked everything, whether in negotiations or on the battle field, if they lost he would have been hanged as a traitor. My point is that while many talk about this or that, only a small portion do anything about it.

But hey, whatever makes a person feel safe and warm.

HandyHamlet · Feb 7, 2011

Just a friendly reminder to read the links you post.

Opening lines of your link:

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists.

So Ben was NOT part of the 3%. Not sure what the Limey quote (not yours) has to do with the all the tea in China either...

And our point is that just because some wish to employ strategy to further their goals at this juncture does not make them somehow deficient in their passion for the cause.

example:

As people continue to post lamo quotes in an attempt to goad Yote, Paul actually, physically, meets and talks to real live State Reps in their offices at the Capitol.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
So who's opinion holds more weight I wonder? The keyboard warrior? Or the guys actually doing something? Like Yote.

1245A Defender · Feb 7, 2011

well,,,

HandyHamlet said:
I signed on for a rally. Not sign waving. Or civil disobedience.

so go to the rally,, dont wave a sign, and be obediently civil.
no need for arrest.

HandyHamlet said:
3% is great.

If you are actually naive enough to think that wars are fought and won only by the guys in the field.

I'm joining the .00000000000001% ers. Which included Ben Franklin only. The guy who went over to France and ensured our alliance. And a navy. And Spain.

But hey, you and your 3%ers are totally cool. I mean it takes a special person to want to be cannon fodder.

this arrest option started with one line in the OP " They can arrest 50 people, but I want to see them arrest 1000 or more".

i wasnt trying to p!ss in yotes corn flakes, but it seemed to be an inordinate amount
of argument against this most unlikely of outcome.

i understand your wanting to be like ben franklin, staying snug and safe, is a nice plan.
his efforts were a very good addition to the war effort.
But they didnt win the war!
the 3 percenters, the guys that actually stood up, that actually showed up, THEY WON THE WAR!!

HandyHamlet · Feb 7, 2011

1245A Defender said:
i understand your wanting to be like ben franklin, staying snug and safe, is a nice plan.
his efforts were a very good addition to the war effort.
But they didnt win the war!
the 3 percenters, the guys that actually stood up, that actually showed up, THEY WON THE WAR!!

Wars are won and lost by a combination of factors including weather, supplies, and politics just to name a few.

See: Vietnam

The 3% were just that. 3% of the whole.

Propaganda is lame.

GLOCK21GB · Feb 7, 2011

it's been made very clear reading these posts that the Majority of the wanna be patriot internet commando's that shout NO STINKING PERMITS - WE WANT CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY really don't want Constitutional carry. Writing letters & emails will NOT get you Constitutional carry. Not in This state with elected leaders that don't want to rock the boat or stake their reputation on Constitutional carry, they are like most here Wanting freedom to carry either openly or concealed, but don't really want to take risks or do what it's going to take to get it.

So sleepy sheep Go back to sleep, write your letters, send your emails & I will see you either in the CCW class or at the Sheriffs office next spring when we are getting finger printed for the Concealed carry permits. You guys talk a good talk but are clueless on how to walk the walk.

I'm out.

range rat · Feb 8, 2011

LR Yote 312 said:
Are you offering to pay my bail ?
Put a roof over my families head ?
Feed my family??

I just spent 20 months unemployed.
So unless you are ...I suggest you S*T*F*U* and DONT tell me
whats worth losing.

LR Yote

You got my VOTE !! +1 +1

McX · Feb 8, 2011

NO STINKING PERMITS -

Hmm, i resemble that remark. oh well, back to the real world, carry my gun at work, help to save the customer's dying cars, keep pushing the movement when i can, and ofcourse, give preferential treatment to the Open Carry brothers, and sisters, who pop in for service.

paul@paul-fisher.com · Feb 8, 2011

Glock34 said:
it's been made very clear reading these posts that the Majority of the wanna be patriot internet commando's that shout NO STINKING PERMITS - WE WANT CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY really don't want Constitutional carry. Writing letters & emails will NOT get you Constitutional carry. Not in This state with elected leaders that don't want to rock the boat or stake their reputation on Constitutional carry, they are like most here Wanting freedom to carry either openly or concealed, but don't really want to take risks or do what it's going to take to get it.

So sleepy sheep Go back to sleep, write your letters, send your emails & I will see you either in the CCW class or at the Sheriffs office next spring when we are getting finger printed for the Concealed carry permits. You guys talk a good talk but are clueless on how to walk the walk.

I'm out.

You are so cool! :banghead:

How many times have you said you are stopping to come here?

Do what you want, I'll do what I want. Do you see me calling you a coward or a sheep because you don't do what I want?

McX · Feb 8, 2011

I should clarify my position: I beleive in one gun toting nation under a groove, getting down just for the funk of it, and now a musical interlude while you contemplate this statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxGXmvmqNI

(.45 dont fail me now)

anmut · Feb 8, 2011

McX said:
I should clarify my position: I beleive in one gun toting nation under a groove, getting down just for the funk of it, and now a musical interlude while you contemplate this statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxGXmvmqNI

(.45 dont fail me now)

Do you think Mr. Funk would've carried a .45?

GLOCK21GB · Feb 8, 2011

paul@paul-fisher.com said:
You are so cool! :banghead:

How many times have you said you are stopping to come here?

Do what you want, I'll do what I want. Do you see me calling you a coward or a sheep because you don't do what I want?

you can't call me a coward or a sheep ! Because unlike you I will do what it takes, I will make the sacrifice, I will tell it like it is & unlike you I am not constrained by Political correctness, Because I spit on PC ! God forbid we hurt someones feelings. Our new batch of gutless business as usual elected leaders don't want Constitutional carry NOT AT ALL ! So unless you show them our numbers by taking over the capitol steps, but invading their offices by doing the hard thing. We all Lose ! Time to stand up people !

How many times have I said I am done with this forum ? NONE ! I am out, means.. I am sick to death of the Wanna be political activist's on here. Show me the money, don't just talk about it.

HandyHamlet · Feb 8, 2011

Glock34 said:
Show me the money...

You had me at "hello".

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