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    La Mesa Coffee UOC meet

    Thursday 2/10/2011 starting at 5pm. Outside coffee sip at Cosmo's Coffee Cafe 8278 La Mesa Blvd.
    Once again everyone do your own checks on 1000ft zones. I will be inviting La Mesa PD's watch commander to join us, he is pro 2A and wants to meet and greet.
    Please chime in if your gonna make it.


    If for needs be the backup locale would be Starbucks at 8138 La Mesa Blvd.
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    There is a good chance i will make this, assuming that i don't have to work late that day.
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    Mark, pm sent.
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    For everyone who is wondering the google map entry that shows up in La Mesa as
    La Mesa Spring Valley School at 4750 Date ave. is a 2 story business office and houses the district offices. There are no classes or student body there, nor are they zoned for students/school, no fire drill plans.

    I recon'd it today and confirmed.
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    Put me on the "definate maybe" list.
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    How late do you guys think you'll be there? Depending on traffic i sometimes don't get home until 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Lose View Post
    How late do you guys think you'll be there? Depending on traffic i sometimes don't get home until 5.
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    I have a class at 6 so I'll be there early and leave early.
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    I called GunDude around 5:30 and he didn't pick up so i didn't come.
    How'd it go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Lose View Post
    I called GunDude around 5:30 and he didn't pick up so i didn't come.
    How'd it go?
    It's really hard to answer your phone when you leave it in the cup holder in your truck.

    It went fine. Kinda funny. Five or six La Mesa LEO's came by and did an (e) check. They were very nervous. The one that pulled Josh's weapon was actually shaking. I suspect this was their first (e) check. They only checked the ones who had empty mags in the well. All in all, good training for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundude View Post
    They only checked the ones who had empty mags in the well. All in all, good training for them.
    'cuz its obviously not loaded if there isn't a mag?!?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    'cuz its obviously not loaded if there isn't a mag?!?!?!?
    Chamber?
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    Nice video, thanks for posting.
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    How many people showed up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner.NIN View Post
    What an exercise in futility. You take the time to meet with the Chief and explain the nuances of UOC and invite him. He in turn has 4 officers waiting for you guys so they can exercise their "right" to inspect your firearms. If only you guys had left the magazines out you could have avoided this. Did they think it was an elaborate criminal mastermind scheme to meet with the chief about UOC then pull a bait and switch and show up LOC? What are the odds they won't e-check us next time? Did the Chief ever show for his "meet and greet"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Lose View Post
    What an exercise in futility. You take the time to meet with the Chief and explain the nuances of UOC and invite him. He in turn has 4 officers waiting for you guys so they can exercise their "right" to inspect your firearms. If only you guys had left the magazines out you could have avoided this. Did they think it was an elaborate criminal mastermind scheme to meet with the chief about UOC then pull a bait and switch and show up LOC? What are the odds they won't e-check us next time? Did the Chief ever show for his "meet and greet"?
    Ease up Born2Lose, first of all, the watch commander could not make it to the meet but did brief his people on the event, this was known before we got there. The fact that 9 officers were there is not becasue they were requested or needed to be there. NO one on this Department has ever done an E check and their most current training bulletin is over 2 years old and cut/pasted from some of the poorly written ones by other departments. Those officers elected to be there and show up to learn what to do and how to handle UOC. In a city of maybe 60,000 people, im pretty sure 9 officers was the bulk of the entire second shift.

    Many of the officers were nervous, to the point of hands shaking, this to them was an unknown and never dealt with before, and many of them like many sleeping americans believe that propoganda line "Guns = Bad Guys". I think 6 comfortable relaxed and understanding UOC'rs who didnt give them a ration of S!!!, or a difficult time probably did more to help than hurt our cause.

    The positives from this encounter...No one was asked for ID, the officers ASKED to do the check politely they didnt force or become dominating, they did not cuff or retireve ID illegally from anyone. The inspecting officer communicated clearly what he was going to do and was willing to listen to our comments. No real lecturing or soap boxing.

    Negatives, drawing one weapon and sweeping it past several people, not understanding the difference between a right and legal authority, E checking semi autos with clips and avoiding revolvers and no mags in wells. (some of us felt un-wanted .

    So I will be in contact and give a report to the Lieutenant on the Department and hopefully this will lead to any further encounters being better for everyone.

    The other positive from this outing was that we now have 3 Businesses that the OWNERS are aware of what we are and do and have invited us back to patronize their establishments.. that would be Por Favor mexican restaurant (3 locations in SD county). Kosmos Coffee, and directly across the street a used bookstore owner who is pro gun and is learning how he can carry in public and in his business.

    Definitley NOT an exercise in futility.!!!
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    That is your opinion Mark and i respect that but in my opinion, 9 Officers? It just seemed like a bait and switch on the La Mesa PD part.."come out for a meet and greet" turned into 9 officers waiting for you when you arrived and nervously hovering around.
    The watch commander knew the laws on UOC (didn't you give him a bunch of training info?) but still sent every cop on the force to check on law abiding citizens? I hope no crimes were committed while they were hassling you guys.

    I dunno..maybe i just need some lunch..maybe i should just shut up and be happy..i mean it is Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Lose View Post
    That is your opinion Mark and i respect that but in my opinion, 9 Officers? It just seemed like a bait and switch on the La Mesa PD part.."come out for a meet and greet" turned into 9 officers waiting for you when you arrived and nervously hovering around.
    The watch commander knew the laws on UOC (didn't you give him a bunch of training info?) but still sent every cop on the force to check on law abiding citizens? I hope no crimes were committed while they were hassling you guys.

    I dunno..maybe i just need some lunch..maybe i should just shut up and be happy..i mean it is Friday.
    Yea thats just a bit of an exageration, 9 werent waiting for us there was 1 or 2 waiting, the others showed up piecemeal while UOC'rs were still arriving. I do not believe it was a bait and switch.
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    From my perspective it was pretty clear this was used as training for the officers. I arrived at the coffee shop first and the the black officer who latter checked me was first on scene. Through out the whole check he was the only one doing any talking, other officers showed up as time went by but it was basically his show.

    You have to realize that the police station is right across the street. The way i see it is the call went over the radio and any officer that wasn't doing anything came over to gain some knowledge on the subject.

    Ultimately we educated the officers and a few citizens. We let them know that citizens have the right to carry firearms and contrary to popular opinion we make our community safer in doing so. At the end of the day this is what's important.

    Sometimes it seems OCers get muddled up in the details of an encounter. It's understandable because it's our job to pick apart these situations with a fine tooth comb, but sometimes taking a step back to see the big picture can put it all into perspective.

    Thats my 2 cents.

    Also my wife got really pissed when she saw the cop flag everyone with my pistol. As much as I harp on her about weapon safety, to see this cop acting so recklessly really shocked her. Maybe I should type up a draft letter stating our request for re-training for this department and have a bunch of people send letters in to get our point across.
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    Hmm...

    If I were to arrange an open carry meeting and inform the police because they lead me to believe that they are supportive and the entire second shift shows up to conduct (e) checks, I would think that would be the last time I informed them of my plans.

    Were I in the planner's shoes, I think I would compose a polite letter congratulating them on their 'free training' and conclude by indicating the next training session wont be 'free'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Costa View Post
    From my perspective it was pretty clear this was used as training for the officers. I arrived at the coffee shop first and the the black officer who latter checked me was first on scene. Through out the whole check he was the only one doing any talking, other officers showed up as time went by but it was basically his show.

    You have to realize that the police station is right across the street. The way i see it is the call went over the radio and any officer that wasn't doing anything came over to gain some knowledge on the subject.

    Ultimately we educated the officers and a few citizens. We let them know that citizens have the right to carry firearms and contrary to popular opinion we make our community safer in doing so. At the end of the day this is what's important.

    Sometimes it seems OCers get muddled up in the details of an encounter. It's understandable because it's our job to pick apart these situations with a fine tooth comb, but sometimes taking a step back to see the big picture can put it all into perspective.

    Thats my 2 cents.

    Also my wife got really pissed when she saw the cop flag everyone with my pistol. As much as I harp on her about weapon safety, to see this cop acting so recklessly really shocked her. Maybe I should type up a draft letter stating our request for re-training for this department and have a bunch of people send letters in to get our point across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Hmm...

    If I were to arrange an open carry meeting and inform the police because they lead me to believe that they are supportive and the entire second shift shows up to conduct (e) checks, I would think that would be the last time I informed them of my plans.

    Were I in the planner's shoes, I think I would compose a polite letter congratulating them on their 'free training' and conclude by indicating the next training session wont be 'free'.
    I thought you would have been the last person on this forum to spread FUD . Shame on you, not knowing what was arranged or spoken about and with what parties beforehand you draw some pretty contrite conclusions. There are plenty of UOC'rs who use the angry and untrusting method, dont be so quick to judge an approach that is in the spirit of Martin Luther King .

    The enemy is not LE, the enemy is the left wing liberal democrats that wants all our rights gone, dont forget that...

    it's just a bit early to see what fruit will bear from this planted seed. And if it doesnt work, then by all means go to La Mesa and teach them a lesson, nothing is stopping you!

    And that E check by the way garnered 3 business owners who have invited us to patronize their establishments, no problems whatsoever. Because of how we all acted

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