stainless1911
Banned
I'm not offended, I fully support this. It is also what IMO sets this forum above the rest. I will try to provide cite whenever I can.
off the top of my head, this is as close as i could come up with for that:
http://www.stclaircounty.org/offices/foc/other_remedies.aspx
BTW, the "person who refuses or neglects to support his or her family" is more commonly called a "vagrant".
750.167 “Disorderly person” defined; subsequent violations by person convicted of refusing or neglecting to support family.
Sec. 167.
(1) A person is a disorderly person if the person is any of the following:
(a) A person of sufficient ability who refuses or neglects to support his or her family.
(b) A common prostitute.
(c) A window peeper.
(d) A person who engages in an illegal occupation or business.
(e) A person who is intoxicated in a public place and who is either endangering directly the safety of another person or of property or is acting in a manner that causes a public disturbance.
(f) A person who is engaged in indecent or obscene conduct in a public place.
(g) A vagrant.
(h) A person found begging in a public place.
(i) A person found loitering in a house of ill fame or prostitution or place where prostitution or lewdness is practiced, encouraged, or allowed.
(j) A person who knowingly loiters in or about a place where an illegal occupation or business is being conducted.
(k) A person who loiters in or about a police station, police headquarters building, county jail, hospital, court building, or other public building or place for the purpose of soliciting employment of legal services or the services of sureties upon criminal recognizances.
(l) A person who is found jostling or roughly crowding people unnecessarily in a public place.
(2) When a person, who has been convicted of refusing or neglecting to support his or her family under this section, is then charged with subsequent violations within a period of 2 years, that person shall be prosecuted as a second offender, or third and subsequent offender, as provided in section 168, if the family of that person is then receiving public relief or support.
400.233b Child support arrearage amnesty period; designation; terms and conditions; administration; notification.
Sec. 3b.
(1) The director of the department shall direct the office to designate a period of not less than 90 days that ends not more than 7 months after the effective date of this section as a child support arrearage amnesty period. Under the terms and conditions set forth in subsection (2), the director, or the director's designee, shall grant a payer amnesty, waiving all criminal and civil penalties provided by law for the payer's failure or refusal to pay past due child support. Amnesty granted under this section waives criminal and civil penalties for failure or refusal to pay child support only in regard to the child support arrearage that the payer pays in total to qualify for amnesty.
(2) To qualify for amnesty under this section, a payer shall pay his or her child support arrearage amount either in total with the submission of the written amnesty request or by paying not less than 50% of the total amount with the submission of the written amnesty request and the balance before the amnesty period ends. A payer's amnesty is effective on the date the director, or the director's designee, receives the payer's written amnesty request with the payment of not less than 50% of the total child support arrearage amount. If a payer pays less than 100% of the total child support arrearage amount with the amnesty request, the payer's amnesty terminates at the end of the amnesty period unless the balance is paid before the amnesty period ends.
(3) A payer is not eligible to qualify for amnesty under this section if, before the payer submits the written request for amnesty and a payment as required by subsection (2), 1 or more of the following occur:
(a) Prosecution is initiated against the payer under section 161, 165, or 167(1)(a) or (2) of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.161, 750.165, and 750.167.
(b) The payer is arrested on a criminal warrant or bench warrant related to the payer's failure or refusal to pay past due child support.
(4) The office shall administer the amnesty program established by this section. As part of its administrative duties, at least 60 days before the start of the amnesty period, the office shall notify payers who may be eligible for amnesty under this section because they owe a child support arrearage. A description of the amnesty program included in scheduled notices and posted on the department's website is sufficient compliance with this notification requirement.
if the amount owed is huge or you have ignored the aforementioned punishment, you get charged with "felony non-support". Neither is under the disorderly statute.
(e) A statement by the applicant regarding whether he or she has ever been convicted in this state or elsewhere for any of the following:
(i) Any felony.
(7) The concealed weapon licensing board shall issue a license to an applicant to carry a concealed pistol within the period required under this act after the applicant properly submits an application under subsection (1) and the concealed weapon licensing board determines that all of the following circumstances exist:
(f) The applicant has never been convicted of a felony in this state or elsewhere, and a felony charge against the applicant is not pending in this state or elsewhere at the time he or she applies for a license described in this section.
750.165 Refusing to support spouse or child as required by court order; violation as felony; penalty; exception; cash bond; suspension of sentence; bond; "state disbursement unit" or "SDU" defined.
Sec. 165.
(1) If the court orders an individual to pay support for the individual's former or current spouse, or for a child of the individual, and the individual does not pay the support in the amount or at the time stated in the order, the individual is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or by a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both.
As an aside, I always thought this legislation was illogical... let's say someone CAN'T pay due to health issues or loss of job (this is Michigan), so let's take the person's professional license away so he or she can't find a new one... and let's not allow him or her to drive to work. That will definately ensure that he or she starts making those timely payments...
That felony would get your CPL revoked regardless of a "disorderly" charge.
28.425b
That'll still get your CPL revoked.
So it looks like you can get hit with ciminal non-support which is a felonly and will get your CPL revoked or you might get hit with the lesser charge of "disorderly person" which is a specified 3 yr. misdemeanor and would get your CPL revoked. I can see why a prosecutor wouldn't bother to charge a non-paying parent with "disorderly" when there are other laws they can use to bring a felony charge against a non-paying parent.
Moral of the story is pay your damn child support.
ETA: Either way I don't believe they can just arbitrarily revoke your CPL because you haven't paid your child support. I believe you'd have to be charged and convicted of some crime and becoming ineligible for a CPL would be a secondary result of that conviction.
Bronson
I felt it was helpful advice.You never fail to say something negative. Why did I bother to look?
The man asked a question. Contribute to the thread or "S-T-*-U".
I felt it was helpful advice.
had he paid his taxes this wouldnt have happened
Kryptonian didn't say he had his CPL suspended, he was asking if MI could suspend a CPL for back taxes, child support, etc.
anybody know if the state of michigan can or would suspend your CPL for back taxes, child support, or any fines owed for anything? i ask because i do owe some back taxes and wouldn't surprise me if they did it. i know they do for child support but have they expanded that? i would hate to be in a LEO situation to have them come back from the patrol car with "well, well, well...guess what...."
Actually Kryptonian did say he owed "some back taxes." BeerMe was just stating the fact that if he did pay them to begin with, then he wouldn't be asking this particular question...it may be a no sh!t Sherlock but sometimes you have to state the obvious.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did suspend it. They will just say, if a person has money for a CPL they should have money for their tax/support/fines payments.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did suspend it. They will just say, if a person has money for a CPL they should have money for their tax/support/fines payments.
ETA: Not kicking the OP, just giving an opinion of how they would handle it.
This ONLY makes sence if they refund his $105.00 so it can be applied to the BT. Or if they just Apply it to the BT.But they need to give him a recipt.
yes..beerme stated the obvious. if i had the money of course i would pay it. they will get it in the next couple of months but wouldn't put it past the state to pull some dirty tricks. beerme..that sort of logic is the sort that doesn't need to be said. it's like telling someone fat not to eat so much. it's obvious advice but doesn't need to be said. if your kid had a couple failing grades and i said to you "your kid is stupid. you need to do something" does that need to be said and how would you take that? get my point? your life must be going so great that you can afford to be critical of everybody.
lifes good actually thanks for the concern, meeting a girl that can keep my interest for more that a few weeks would be nice but meh im still young
A girl who can keep your interest is one thing. One who will stick around listening to your steady stream of negativity and dealing with your wicked superiority complex is another. Good luck with that.
A girl who can keep your interest is one thing. One who will stick around listening to your steady stream of negativity and dealing with your wicked superiority complex is another. Good luck with that.