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    Illinois CCW HB 148 (Family and Personal Protection Act)

    I have noticed that a bill establishing CCW in Illinois (HB 148) has entered committee, yet I haven't seen it being discussed here. Have I missed it? I would think this would be a fairly hot topic in the Illinois forum.

    What I gather is the Family and Personal Protection Act (HB 148) has been read and has entered the Agriculture and Conservation Committee. After reading about the bill here:

    http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/IL/HB0148

    I have noted who has signed on as a sponsor. From the current list of sponsors, I have noted that 6 of them are on the Agriculture & Conservation Committee:

    Brandon W. Phelps
    Lisa M. Dugan
    David Reis
    Dan Reitz
    Keith P. Sommer
    Patrick J. Verschoore

    Wouldn't it be a good idea for members in the Illinois forum to contact the others on the Agriculture & Conservation Committee and start bending their ears?

    (The committee members and their contact info can be found here:http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees...ommitteeID=209)


    It looks like it has a scheduled hearing on Feb 15th at 1:00p.m. in Capitol Building Room 122B

    posted here: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...84&LegID=54713

    Is anyone going?

    What's the outlook on this bill? Since 6 of the co-sponsors are on the Committee, doesn't this look favorable that it will be introduced on the floor for a vote? Are any of you Illinoisians staying on top of this? Am I missing something?
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    With that d*** quinn as governor and the democraps controlling the state legislature, ain't going to happen. Chicago is the capital of Illinois until the people wise up. They reelect a crooked pos to the governorship and keep the daley cronies in control of the state. At least they have a Republican in obooba's old seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    With that dick quinn as governor and the democraps controlling the state legislature, ain't going to happen. Chicago is the capital of Illinois until the people wise up. They reelect a crooked pos to the governorship and keep the daley cronies in control of the state. At least they have a Republican in obooba's old seat.

    The important thing, win or lose, is to make sure that the representatives know that the PEOPLE support this bill. Letters (real ones with stamps and envelopes) are most effective. Emails and phone calls can also work. Perhaps, depending on fund raising/budget, one could get some advertisement time and make something up about how this will make IL safer and inform them to let their representatives know that they support it?

    A simple radio ad on talk radio is not more than a few hundred bucks last time I checked....

    However whether the funding is there or not is irrelevant, EVERYONE needs to not only contact their representatives, but also needs to let their friends and family know to contact their representatives. The more people politicians realize support something the more LIKELY they are to follow the peoples wishes in hopes of getting reelected (not always but it increases the chances at least).

    Also remember that if the bill does not pass in this legislative session there is always the pressure to be put on your representatives to draft a new bill (heck you can even take the one that didn't pass and try and get them to resubmit it under a different number)

    Keep the pressure on them!
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    It's usually the committee chairperson in charge, they can desk-drawer any bill they don't like and/or are afraid of. In many states with Dems in control, the chairpersons will be rabid anti-gunners(in safe districts) and won't let it come to a vote because they know the NRA will target those who vote against them.
    Can't speak for IL, but my hunch is this is the exact situation in IL. You could have all members of the committee be co-sponsors of the bill, and still have it go down due to the committee chair.
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    There are now 13 sponsors to the bill. I know my state rep supports right to carry, he has introduced bills in the past. The bill needs enough votes to overcome a veto by the governor who doesn't support right to carry. The number needed is getting closer. On March 10 there will be Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day in Springfield, we've been going there urging legislators to enact right to carry legislation, last year there were 7500 people attending, probably be over 10,000 this year we will be contacting legislators about gun bills we ask them to vote for and against. The first Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day had 500 people, this is year 6 I believe. IllinoisCarry.com is very involved with this, has been for years. The NRA Illinois lobbyist is on the IllinoisCarry.com/forum and keeps us up to date on legislation. We are getting closer to being a "free state". If you are interested there is a forum there. There will be buses going from all parts of the state to Springfield for the Lobby Day.

    Gunslinger, I wouldn't say never. A lot of down state democrats are pro right to carry in Illinois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
    It's usually the committee chairperson in charge, they can desk-drawer any bill they don't like and/or are afraid of. In many states with Dems in control, the chairpersons will be rabid anti-gunners(in safe districts) and won't let it come to a vote because they know the NRA will target those who vote against them.
    Can't speak for IL, but my hunch is this is the exact situation in IL. You could have all members of the committee be co-sponsors of the bill, and still have it go down due to the committee chair.
    The committee chair is a co-sponsor of the bill.

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    Very happy for Illinois that the issue is at least being considered... just wish it had reciprocity in it.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    Very happy for Illinois that the issue is at least being considered... just wish it had reciprocity in it.
    +1000000

    Perhaps that could be the next battle to fight. But most importantly is getting the citizens of IL the "privilege" of being able to protect themselves....
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junglebob View Post
    The committee chair is a co-sponsor of the bill.

    Actually Kurt Granberg is the commie chair (yes that was intentional) and he is not a co-sponsor of this bill.

    Brandon Phelps, the author of the bill, is not only the vice-chair, but is also (shocked face) a democrat.....

    It seems as though this bill would have a reasonable chance of making it past the committee at least. Which is more than the people of IL have had in a while.

    I will be following this as I have a "permanent residence" there and would like to go back eventually....(if this bill or one like it passes)
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    Actually Kurt Granberg is the commie chair (yes that was intentional) and he is not a co-sponsor of this bill.

    Brandon Phelps, the author of the bill, is not only the vice-chair, but is also (shocked face) a democrat.....

    It seems as though this bill would have a reasonable chance of making it past the committee at least. Which is more than the people of IL have had in a while.

    I will be following this as I have a "permanent residence" there and would like to go back eventually....(if this bill or one like it passes)
    Don't know where you got the information that Kurt Grantberg is the chair. The Illinois General Assembly website says it is Lisa Dugan, a democrat and sponsor. It says Verschoore is the vice chair, a democrat and sponsor If a change has been made the website hasn't been updated. Dan Reitz and Thomas Holbrook are democrats also and sponsors of the bill. Contrary to what people may think democrats in Southern Illinois often sponsor right to carry bills. John Bradley often does. The problem is the north east Illinois, particularly Chicago, legislators. Be they democrats or republicans they are often our foes. For what it is worth I'm not a democrat. Many of the democrat legislators outside Chicago are not the problem its the leadership, governor and northeast legislators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglebob View Post
    There are now 13 sponsors to the bill. I know my state rep supports right to carry, he has introduced bills in the past. The bill needs enough votes to overcome a veto by the governor who doesn't support right to carry. The number needed is getting closer. On March 10 there will be Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day in Springfield, we've been going there urging legislators to enact right to carry legislation, last year there were 7500 people attending, probably be over 10,000 this year we will be contacting legislators about gun bills we ask them to vote for and against. The first Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day had 500 people, this is year 6 I believe. IllinoisCarry.com is very involved with this, has been for years. The NRA Illinois lobbyist is on the IllinoisCarry.com/forum and keeps us up to date on legislation. We are getting closer to being a "free state". If you are interested there is a forum there. There will be buses going from all parts of the state to Springfield for the Lobby Day.

    Gunslinger, I wouldn't say never. A lot of down state democrats are pro right to carry in Illinois.
    As well as DuPage County, McHenry, parts of Lake and Cook, etc., away from Chicago. I'd love to see it happen, being born and raised in IL, but really think you guys lost the chance when the pos was reelected governor. Still, good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglebob View Post
    Don't know where you got the information that Kurt Grantberg is the chair. The Illinois General Assembly website says it is Lisa Dugan, a democrat and sponsor. It says Verschoore is the vice chair, a democrat and sponsor If a change has been made the website hasn't been updated. Dan Reitz and Thomas Holbrook are democrats also and sponsors of the bill. Contrary to what people may think democrats in Southern Illinois often sponsor right to carry bills. John Bradley often does. The problem is the north east Illinois, particularly Chicago, legislators. Be they democrats or republicans they are often our foes. For what it is worth I'm not a democrat. Many of the democrat legislators outside Chicago are not the problem its the leadership, governor and northeast legislators.
    I got that info from the ilga link the op posted...

    So I am not too sure where you are getting your info and why it is different from mine....

    Seems kinda weird that the ilga site would have two different pieces of conflicting information....
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    I got that info from the ilga link the op posted...

    So I am not too sure where you are getting your info and why it is different from mine....

    Seems kinda weird that the ilga site would have two different pieces of conflicting information....
    You are right it is weird, use the link that is on the first post and it says Grantberg is chair for the 97th assembly. I google the Illinois General Assembly and get ilga.gov go to house ilga.gov/house The URL when I get to the Agriculture & Conservation Committee is the same right down to asp?committeeID=209. I did go to Dugans information and under committees it said info not set for 97th Assembly. Who is right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglebob View Post
    You are right it is weird, use the link that is on the first post and it says Grantberg is chair for the 97th assembly. I google the Illinois General Assembly and get ilga.gov go to house ilga.gov/house The URL when I get to the Agriculture & Conservation Committee is the same right down to asp?committeeID=209. I did go to Dugans information and under committees it said info not set for 97th Assembly. Who is right?
    Ummm.....I wish I could tell you... I plan on devoting sometime Wednesday to calling around and talking to the assemblyman and state senator from my "home of record". And talking to them about passing this bill....
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


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    I'll be interested in what you find out. Will you be in Springfield on March 10 for Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day (IGOLD)? I see your location as Lakewood Washington, do you have a second home there or haven't you updated your location? I expect there will be 10,000+ gun owners in Spingfield that day talking to their legislators about gun legislation. I plan on going, it is a great event. Buses will be going from all over the state. Otis McDonald of McDonald vs. Chicago, talked to us last year as well as some legislators favoring LTC.
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    I see that it has pre-emption, but is it a shall issue or may issue?

    I also don't care for the training requirements, nor the lack of reciprocity, but I would take a shall issue law at this point, and then push to loosen the restrictions and add reciprocity later. Just like AZ going from permitting to constitutional carry, one step at a time.

    I think a shall issue pre-emption RTC law would be a huge step forward for IL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I see that it has pre-emption, but is it a shall issue or may issue?

    I also don't care for the training requirements, nor the lack of reciprocity, but I would take a shall issue law at this point, and then push to loosen the restrictions and add reciprocity later. Just like AZ going from permitting to constitutional carry, one step at a time.

    I think a shall issue pre-emption RTC law would be a huge step forward for IL.
    Just got off the phone with my state representative (who is a cosponsor of this bill).

    He has already recognized the lack of reciprocity and is actually drafting a separate bill all together that he said should be getting a first reading within the next week or so. (don't hold your breath too long though as these things take time)

    He informed me this bill will be a separate bill that will deal SOLELY with reciprocity. He told me this was actually better because that way IL residents have 2 different chances of getting CC. He explained that the bill will include reciprocity on the scale of IA's reciprocity or IN's. (anything from another state is good pretty much).

    He will also be sponsoring another bill to request an audit of the FOID process and all pertinent records from the state police. Some of us know how the whole FOID thing can be pretty FUBAR'd.

    This is also the representative that wrote HB1163 which will allow muzzleloaders during open deer season....

    So there is light at the end of the tunnel (hopefully) there is just now 2 different avenues of approach, kind of a divide and conquer type of deal.

    Also HR148 now has 20 sponsors. Looks to be getting a good amount of approval from the politicos. The biggest goal now is going to be ensuring enough votes to override the inevitable veto that will happen....
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    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I see that it has pre-emption, but is it a shall issue or may issue?

    I also don't care for the training requirements, nor the lack of reciprocity, but I would take a shall issue law at this point, and then push to loosen the restrictions and add reciprocity later. Just like AZ going from permitting to constitutional carry, one step at a time.

    I think a shall issue pre-emption RTC law would be a huge step forward for IL.

    See my other post above in addition to this one.

    shall issue the applicant a concealed firearms permit

    It would appear to my untrained eyes that this is Shall-issue as stated above.

    The bill also provides for preemption as you noted above.

    Looks like this is going to be an exciting year.

    Dont forget to get everyone you know (and even some you dont know) to call their representatives and demand they support this bill.
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...84&LegID=60461

    As previously mentioned...

    Also on a side note it appears the safe families one has 30 sponsors in the assembly....

    Things looking pretty good so far, but let's stay on top of it...
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    Folks,

    Keep pushing for this bill. It may not be OC friendly but it's a great step in the right direction for folks to be able to carry for their personal protection, and it's better than what we have now, which is nothing.

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    HB 148 not heard in NE Illinois

    You know what's sad? I live in Chicago and had to live with King Daley telling me whats best for me. I am also a past police officer in the burbs of Chicago.
    I have been pro gun rights all my life.
    Yesterday is when I first heard about HB 148. TV and radio has been quiet about it until I heard the idiot mayor say something about it. And I watch the news 3 times a day. Talking to friends they didn't even know about it.
    My question is why hasn't Chicagoans been informed? Cook County and the surrounding counties kill our rights and the fight needs to start here.

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    LT Petersen , PM sent.

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    Keep this going folks. If it gets out of committee, then I'd expect it to pass. Of course, the governor's veto is the problem. Let's hope you don't have some weasels that vote for it initially, then switch on the veto override.

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    I highly recommend everyone go the the link the op posted about the committee hearing...on there it has a list of when sponsors were added and when they were removed.

    If your representative was removed I would suggest you blow their phones up and ask how much the brady bunch payed them to change their vote.

    Or you could be more diplomatic about it...

    My point is this bill now has 32 sponsors but would have over 40 if sponsors did not get removed...I think we need to spearhead this and get those wafflers back on our side...
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


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    O.K. Folks! The bill is set for another hearing today at 2:00 p.m.

    Is anyone going? (You do know they allow public input during these hearings correct?)

    Do you Illinoisians really want CCW? Or are you just waiting in the wings with fingers crossed?

    Here is a good spot to keep an eye on its progress. (If you are physically, and geographically unable to attend in person, such as myself.) Besides, I'm from Missouri. I already carry. (But I'm with you Illinoisians in spirit. I'd like to return and visit the state I was born in, someday...when I can defend myself there.)

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...3&SessionID=84

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