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    FL Open Carry Bill in Committee needs YOUR HELP NOW!

    FLORIDA CARRY LEGISLATIVE ALERT

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - February 12, 2011
    SB 234 - FL Senate Committee on Criminal Justice
    Hearing scheduled for 2/22/11

    SB 234 is on the agenda of the FL Senate Committee on Criminal Justice on Tuesday, February 22nd at 9:00am. Florida Carry, Inc. urgently requests that you email via the members of the committee in support of Senate Bill 234.

    This NRA authored bill comprises several separate initiatives. These include the option for CWFL holders to carry openly; a provision to authorize carry at career centers, colleges, and universities; the right to store a firearm in one's vehicle wherever it may be lawfully parked; the authorization for the Department of Agriculture to take fingerprints; the repeal of Florida’s ban on long gun purchases in most other states. Quite simply put, this is the most comprehensive carry rights bill since shall-issue concealed carry was passed twenty-four years ago.

    Florida is one of only seven states where open carry of firearms is generally forbidden, excepting under certain circumstances. Arguments against open carry generally consist of concerns regarding the fearful reactions of the general population. Some have suggested that an open carrier becomes an instant target, having his firearm snatched by a criminal in line at a convenience store. The facts simply do not support those allegations. In states where open carry is lawfully practiced, citizens have become accustomed to the understanding that a holstered weapon is a danger to no one. There have been no wholesale attacks on open carriers, nor have open carriers been shot with their own weapons. Police officers are not fearful of open carriers as they know that a 5-year FBI crime study has shown that criminals do not open carry, nor do they carry in holsters. Criminals shun attention, something that the open carrying of a firearm invariably draws to some extent. Not a single state that has legalized open carry in recent years has repealed the right.

    In 1987, open carry was outlawed primarily because of the predictions of wild west shootouts, blood in the streets, gun battles over parking spaces, and normally law abiding people indiscriminately becoming homicidal maniacs. The main opponent of open carry was Janet Reno, then assistant state attorney. She was able to rally support from a vocal group of police administrators with the doom and gloom scenarios. Amazingly enough, the exact same arguments were heard against "shall-issue" concealed carry. Twenty-four years later, and none of the rampant bloodshed predictions about concealed carry have come true.

    With regard to carry on colleges and universities, it is not coincidence that most of the mass shootings in the U.S. occur on the campuses of educational institutions. To believe that a potential assailant would be dissuaded from committing mass murder simply because there is a law forbidding him to bring a firearm on campus is pure folly. Rape, robbery, assault, and murder have all occurred on campuses across the country.

    College and university administrators continue to deny the reality that by prohibiting students, faculty, staff, and visitors from defending themselves promotes an unsafe environment. Often ignored by opponents is the fact that only concealed weapons/firearms license holders would be permitted to carry on campus, and the minimum age requirement to have a license is 21. Those students under 21 would not be permitted to carry on campus. Once again, the potential criminals do not care about minimum age or having a license. After all, there are no barriers to access on most campuses. Florida Carry, Inc. supports SB 234, and encourages all gun owners/carriers to join us in contacting the senators on the Florida Senate Criminal Justice Committee. Please tell them 24 years is enough.

    We urgently need you to email the committee members NOW!
    Include “Support SB 234” in the Subject Line


    E-mail Helper (feel free to cut, paste, and edit to suit)
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    TO:
    evers.greg.web@flsenate.gov
    dean.charles.web@flsenate.gov
    dockery.paula.web@flsenate.gov
    margolis.gwen.web@flsenate.gov
    smith.chris.web@flsenate.gov

    SUBJECT:
    Support SB 234 – Support the Second Amendment


    Dear Senator,

    This e-mail is to express my support for Senate Bill 234, Firearms. As a member of the Florida Senate Committee on Criminal Justice, you will be hearing this bill on Tuesday, February 22nd. I respectfully ask that you wholeheartedly support this bill.

    The predictions of doom and gloom that preceded the adoption of "shall-issue" concealed carry have been proven to be fiction. For twenty-four years, Florida concealed weapons/firearms license holders have proven themselves to be responsible to the extreme. Since 1987, only 168 of nearly two-million licenses have been revoked due to misuse of firearms. It is time to recognize that responsibility by giving those licensees the option to carry their firearms in the manner that is most appropriate to their situation, openly or concealed. In the 43 states that permit some form of general open carry, not a single state has repealed that right.

    It is also time to recognize that criminals have discovered a target-rich environment at colleges and universities. Rapes, robberies, assaults, and other violent crimes continually occur at and near campuses on students, faculty, and staff alike. Concealed weapons/firearms license holders should not have to relinquish the ability to defend themselves because of a mistaken belief that criminals obey campus restrictions.

    Please support SB 234.

    Respectfully yours,



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    Who's talking to Dean

    It's all about Dean. He's my Senator and he emailed me back and said "I'll keep your comments in mind." He was against the firearms freedom act, and after an email exchange he said he'd vote for it if given the chance. I don't know if I influenced him or not, but it shows he is willing to change his mind. People need to hit his office hard. The two democrats will not vote for this and the other 2 are co-sponsors.

    And not to be premature, but if Dean says yes, do we know what committee it goes to after this?

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    emailing all listed a.s.a.p

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    Will do!

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    Thumbs up Emailed

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    sent emails!

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    Emails sent.

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    Done.

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    NRA hasn't said one word about it as an OC Bill (that I have been able to find). They've been touting the regulation of Doctors who refuse to treat people and/or bully/intimidate those who disagree with their political interests.

    The NRA still pisses me off. Only Ones...
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    NRA hasn't said one word about it as an OC Bill (that I have been able to find). They've been touting the regulation of Doctors who refuse to treat people and/or bully/intimidate those who disagree with their political interests.

    The NRA still pisses me off. Only Ones...
    AMEN TO THAT.

    Just got another email alert about it tonight.

    What the hell are they doing? We're trying to clear a major hurdle here with SB 234 and they're more interested in violating the 1st amendment for doctors. If you don't like a doctor, get a new one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    NRA hasn't said one word about it as an OC Bill (that I have been able to find). They've been touting the regulation of Doctors who refuse to treat people and/or bully/intimidate those who disagree with their political interests.

    The NRA still pisses me off. Only Ones...



    And

    http://nranews.com/#/nranews/VideoModule/3928

    And

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/col...6377558.column

    And

    http://www.tallahassee.com/article/2...open-carry-law

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    Thanks Stogie!

    It's encouraging that Evers said in the video he's "100%" certain it will pass. His only concern, he said, was with the governor and Scott said he's sign it.

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    I stand corrected.

    I'm still concerned that they aren't sending it out in any of their email alerts. It's Green, not Gold, so It's baffling that they aren't all about it... NRA loves calling a Controlled Privilege a Right.

    "Right to Carry Permit" <-- it's an oxymoron. Rights don't require Permits.

    The NRA invented that term.

    But I'm glad to see that, even though they aren't promoting it actively, at least they aren't holding it back.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    right to carry permit

    It's straight from Orwell.But perhaps it was meant to be so obvious to draw attention to the fact that it is a right and planted a seed that a right should not "permitted".

    Trying to be optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    It's straight from Orwell.But perhaps it was meant to be so obvious to draw attention to the fact that it is a right and planted a seed that a right should not "permitted".

    Trying to be optimistic.
    Huh? don't drink and type.... ;-)

    I think you mean that if it requires a permit, it's not a Right. Right?
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    I just got the NRA update about the OC.

    Painting it as an effort to prevent people from being charged for accidental exposure. Says directly that just because OC will be legal, doesn't mean anyone will do it...

    They're either trying to fly way below the radar, or they're still the Negotiate Rights Away....

    I admit it, OCDO really does have a place. GOA and OCDO are doing more for Citizens' Gun Rights today than the NRA has ever done.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    SB 234 amended

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill...ent/180224/PDF

    I didn't spend any time deciphering what changes there were. I assume it was either housekeeping or dilution.

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    Well, I wrote to them all, and called and left a message for Dean (my senate rep.), and got my mom and and her husband to write to him too. Let's hope and pray for the best Tuesday...

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    I didn't see any major modifications or dilutions is the edit, mostly grammatical, and no change to the major points of the "concealed" issue or colleges

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    The amendment is primarily a technical amendment. It does not affect open carry or the repeal of the college/university carry ban. The only substantive change made by this amendment is to make the bill effective immediately upon being signed by the Governor rather than the original version's proposed effective date of July 1, 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVCDL View Post
    The only substantive change made by this amendment is to make the bill effective immediately upon being signed by the Governor rather than the original version's proposed effective date of July 1, 2011.
    How soon might the Governer get the opportunity to sign the bill then?
    I was amazed that July was even a possibility with how government works.

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    It could be as early as April, by my reckoning.

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    Amazing

    Why can't government be this efficient and concise in all it's dealings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    I didn't see any major modifications or dilutions is the edit, mostly grammatical, and no change to the major points of the "concealed" issue or colleges
    Looks clean, yay!
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    How soon might the Governer get the opportunity to sign the bill then?
    I was amazed that July was even a possibility with how government works.
    It'll be a bit. This is only the first committee it needs to get through. There are two others, Judiciary and Rules.

    The full session of the Legislature begins March 8.

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