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    CH 13 Open carry

    Just on CH 13, Wa most wanted, a brief (very brief) comment that open carry is LEGAL, then went on telling about getting a concealed gun PERMIT. Suggested that if stopped for a trafic violation, should, not required, but should notify the nice ossifer and show him your PERMIT.

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    I sure wish people, including the media, would get their information right.. Even people who HAVE the license are calling it a "concealed weapons permit". Sure, it's semantics, but still know what it's called, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1124 View Post
    I sure wish people, including the media, would get their information right.. Even people who HAVE the license are calling it a "concealed weapons permit". Sure, it's semantics, but still know what it's called, please.

    This highly bothers me too. It's like most gun owners will dumb down to other folks and get stuck using this "weapons" permit thing.


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    Again....

    more Serial Misinformation.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Again....

    more Serial Misinformation.....
    The ONLY point that was helpful was when they did mention that OC is legal.

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    I tend to cut some slack as long as they get the central point correct. Getting out the knowledge that OC is legal is more important than what they call the permit.

    As for the comment that "it would be a good idea to offer up the fact that you have a permit to an officer", this is merely a matter of opinion. At least they didn't suggest that it is required for general OC. Opinions vary on whether it's a good idea to volunteer the info or wait until the firearm is discovered during a traffic stop, even here on this forum.
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    The only video I could find was this old one from july 2009. As we know Fox does not like to keep their gun stuff on the site for very long (unless it contains errors)....
    http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamo...0,284378.story

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    Well, if we want to split hairs, it's not a CPL. Technically, it's an LCCP, at least that's what is written on mine. So calling it a CPL is incorrect as well. I'm with Amlevin, I don't think it's so important what it's called as long as people realize that open carry is legal and CC is legal with a license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    I don't think it's so important what it's called as long as people realize that open carry is legal and CC is legal with a license.
    Don't forget OC'ing a loaded handgun while driving still requires that "Whatever you want to call it permit/license".
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    I seen this as well last night, and was for the most part happy with what was presented even though it was not very informative on places off limits.
    Memory left me but one issue is carrying a weapon in a jail while yet it is authorized in Public Areas and if armed and have a CPL or LCCP to go directly to the administration to have your firearm secured and then when leaving, retrieve and depart.

    Unfortunately I have a family member I visit and have ran into this problem as the jail staff and administration not knowing the law.
    RCW 9.94.043
    Deadly weapons — Possession on premises by person not a prisoner — Penalty.

    A person, other than a person serving a sentence in a penal institution of this state, is guilty of possession of contraband on the premises of a state correctional institution in the first degree if, without authorization to do so, the person knowingly possesses or has under his or her control a deadly weapon on or in the buildings or adjacent grounds subject to the care, control, or supervision of a state correctional institution. Deadly weapon is used as defined in RCW 9A.04.110: PROVIDED, That such correctional buildings, grounds, or property are properly posted pursuant to RCW 9.94.047, and such person has knowingly entered thereon: PROVIDED FURTHER, That the provisions of this section do not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the correctional institution premises, proceeds directly along an access road to the administration building and promptly checks his or her firearm(s) with the appropriate authorities. The person may reclaim his or her firearm(s) upon leaving, but he or she must immediately and directly depart from the premises.
    Possession of contraband on the premises of a state correctional institution in the first degree is a class B felony.
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    We can 'sweat the small stuff' or we can celebrate the one thing I really like about this....

    The newsmedia in Washington state reported that open carry is legal.

    My how far this movement has come in the last 5 years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1124 View Post
    I sure wish people, including the media, would get their information right.. Even people who HAVE the license are calling it a "concealed weapons permit". Sure, it's semantics, but still know what it's called, please.

    Not sure if it is true, but I heard that they use to say "Concealed Weapons Permit" on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    Well, if we want to split hairs, it's not a CPL. Technically, it's an LCCP, at least that's what is written on mine. So calling it a CPL is incorrect as well. I'm with Amlevin, I don't think it's so important what it's called as long as people realize that open carry is legal and CC is legal with a license.
    I don't think you can call the term CPL incorrect. Both are used in the RCWs, for example: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.070

    So technically, both are correct and mean the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    Not sure if it is true, but I heard that they use to say "Concealed Weapons Permit" on them.
    they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    Not sure if it is true, but I heard that they use to say "Concealed Weapons Permit" on them.
    That's true. Somewhere along the line it was changed to specify "Pistol". I can remember some conversations I had about how the term "weapons" might cover items like large knives, a LAW rocket launcher, and even grenades.
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    well,,,

    i still have an old renewed license that expired in 1985!
    it says it is a, license to carry concealed weapon, LCCW, state of washington.
    this thing was pounded out on a typewriter!! with typos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    The ONLY point that was helpful was when they did mention that OC is legal.

    Sort of. I think they further muddied the waters by NOT distingusihing between the two. The way it reads its almost as if you need a license, at least for those not involved in the OC community.

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    I wrote to the Department head David Rose and asked when the video was going to be made available. I got a reply with "
    We try to get it on the site this week but it won’t be until Tues evening at the earliest.
    Thanks,
    David"


    I also let them know if they wanted to do a segment on Open Carry in Washington State we'd be happy to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G20-IWB24/7 View Post
    We can 'sweat the small stuff' or we can celebrate the one thing I really like about this....

    The newsmedia in Washington state reported that open carry is legal.

    My how far this movement has come in the last 5 years....
    It demonstrates how well known we have become in the last couple of years with the media attention ,meets ,breakfasts,info at the gunshows and just folks everyday open carry and bringing it to the forefront.Most people I believe are beginning to realize we are just everyday folk and are not the problem.All with out a formal organization ,just a basic grass roots movement.We owe much to Gray Petersons efforts in getting the ball rolling and doing more all the time in standing up for 2A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    I tend to cut some slack as long as they get the central point correct. Getting out the knowledge that OC is legal is more important than what they call the permit.

    As for the comment that "it would be a good idea to offer up the fact that you have a permit to an officer", this is merely a matter of opinion. At least they didn't suggest that it is required for general OC. Opinions vary on whether it's a good idea to volunteer the info or wait until the firearm is discovered during a traffic stop, even here on this forum.
    Clearly reasonable men and women can differ but my $0.02 is this: given the apparently significant number of recent officer involved shootings (at least here in Spokane), if there is any possibility that the firearm might be discovered during a traffic stop, I would err on the side of informing the officer. Waiting until the firearm actually is discovered may result in a rather unpleasant encounter (or worse). For me it depends on what sort of coat I'm wearing and whether there is any chance the little big Glock might become visible while undoing the seat belt, digging for the wallet or reaching for the registration and insurance card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lammo View Post
    Clearly reasonable men and women can differ but my $0.02 is this: given the apparently significant number of recent officer involved shootings (at least here in Spokane), if there is any possibility that the firearm might be discovered during a traffic stop, I would err on the side of informing the officer. Waiting until the firearm actually is discovered may result in a rather unpleasant encounter (or worse). For me it depends on what sort of coat I'm wearing and whether there is any chance the little big Glock might become visible while undoing the seat belt, digging for the wallet or reaching for the registration and insurance card.
    I've heard that handing the officer your CPL along with your licence is a nice subtle way of notifying them...

    Comments on the news rpt, it may not be perfect but its at least a step in the right direction for them. I'd call it a positive note that the only inaccuracy was whether it's a CPL or a CWP.
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    I carry on my right side with my wallet in my right back pocket. The couple of times I have been stopped and the officer asks for my license I tell them I have a pistol on my right hip just in front of my wallet. They all ask if I have a permit and have never disarmed me. In fact all but one has thanked me for letting them know and providing my permit to them with my license.

    I have no fear of informing an officer of my pistol. Like was said before it is the ones they find on their own that seems to be of concern to them. How many felons will admit they have a firearm when stopped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    I carry on my right side with my wallet in my right back pocket. The couple of times I have been stopped and the officer asks for my license I tell them I have a pistol on my right hip just in front of my wallet. They all ask if I have a permit and have never disarmed me. In fact all but one has thanked me for letting them know and providing my permit to them with my license.

    I have no fear of informing an officer of my pistol. Like was said before it is the ones they find on their own that seems to be of concern to them. How many felons will admit they have a firearm when stopped?
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