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    More anti-OC flak

    They are at it again against you guys:

    http://www.thebredafallacy.com/2011/...ight-than.html
    http://www.saysuncle.com/2011/02/16/in-your-face-6/

    Pretty ridiculous. It is like they have never seen a political fight before. One person proposes legislation and they all wet themselves and run away.

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    It's a bummer.
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    Someone who can't be trusted to walk free in public with a firearm shouldn't be walking around free.

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    I think the saddest part is that these 'pro-2A' people are actually celebrating the idea of the government restricting rights.

    Shame on them.

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    I notice they completely gloss over this part of the article which seems way more important and way more likely:

    Also, state Rep. Richard LeBlanc, D-Westland, has introduced House Bill 4009, which would repeal the state’s pistolfree zones entirely.
    You have Democrats trying to eliminate gun free zones in your state. I don't think you can be any more effective than that!

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    Blog post update

    Update:

    Dear folks coming here from this OpenCarry thread,

    I cannot comment there, so I will here. Police your own. Carrying a shotgun into a library is not going to win hearts and minds. It’s going to turn people away. This bill is going to draw more attention to the incident that led this politician to propose the bill.

    You have rights. We get that. But when you’re focusing on your right and acting like jerk, people tend to focus on that whole being a jerk part. There are effective ways to to win hearts and minds with respect to OC. Flashing guns at librarians and toting a shotgun on your back is not one of those ways.

    This is like the kiss-ins that gay groups used to have. I’m all for gay rights and support gay marriage. But I don’t think a bunch of gay dudes kissing at the mall is effective at converting people to support gay rights.

    You guys suck at marketing. And that’s it.

    Hugs and kisses,

    SayUncle
    P.S. Tell the guy carrying the shotgun around town to knock it off.

    Update 2: Oh for f***’s sake. One of these guys carried an AR-15 to a Ponderosa Steakhouse and was surprised to be asked to leave. Seriously, you’re not helping. Carry a handgun. Leave the rifles and shotties at home or in the car.
    So OCing is 'flashing guns at librarians' now?
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    "I think the saddest part is that these 'pro-2A' people are actually celebrating the idea of the government restricting rights."

    Please show me where Breda or anyone else is "celebrating" the restriction of rights, or even that they support said restrictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotarheels03 View Post
    Please show me where Breda or anyone else is "celebrating" the restriction of rights, or even that they support said restrictions?
    I would say a title like 'In your face' and the' I told you so' manner would be my first hint. Otherwise, what was the purpose of either blog post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    I notice they completely gloss over this part of the article which seems way more important and way more likely:



    You have Democrats trying to eliminate gun free zones in your state. I don't think you can be any more effective than that!
    This goes to show it's not about the D's & R's,although the D's have a long way to go to be in line with our federal and MI constitutions.It's about the citizens taking the responsibility to defend themselves and their fellow citizens by the only means available against armed enemy's,foreign and domestic(all criminals)! It's awfully nice to see a pro-2A D though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lapeer20m View Post
    my comments.

    Technically he was carrying a pistol.

    The issue is much bigger than guns in the library.

    The issue is that the library refuses to follow state law. After being quietly informed that their continued harassment is unlawful, the board still refuses to comply with the laws of this state.

    The library is owned by the city and the county, and these local units of government lack the authority to ban firearms.

    People will continue to open carry in the library on a regular basis until the policy changes.

    i still will after they change the policy,they are a part of my weekly routine now!
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    No worries guys. Me and a few others currently have the says uncle post pinned down with what recourse does an 18-21 year old have other than a shotgun or rifle to defend himself/herself with??? They are getting pretty desperate....
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    Uncle isn't Anti-OC, Anti-2A, or Anti-gun in any way shape or form. Neither is Breda. Do you guys HONESTLY think it's a good idea to carry shotties into a controversial location in the HOPES to make a scene? There is no doubt in anybody's mind at ALL that being brazen, now matter how RIGHT they are, by carrying the shotguns into the library brought the wrong kind of attention to the cause. It goes along with the part where it's common sense to be more polite than normal when carrying.

    We're trying to normalize the carrying of guns, not trying to shove it down peoples' throats.

    For the record, you won't find anybody else that's more pro-2A than those 2, as well as the rest of the gun bloggers like them. Robb Allen, Tamara K, Roberta X, Caleb Giddings (from Top Shot), Alan from SnarkyBytes, and a whole list of others. I think you guys need to focus your efforts on those HURTING the OC movement than those that promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJarhead View Post
    Uncle isn't Anti-OC, Anti-2A, or Anti-gun in any way shape or form. Neither is Breda. Do you guys HONESTLY think it's a good idea to carry shotties into a controversial location in the HOPES to make a scene? There is no doubt in anybody's mind at ALL that being brazen, now matter how RIGHT they are, by carrying the shotguns into the library brought the wrong kind of attention to the cause. It goes along with the part where it's common sense to be more polite than normal when carrying.

    We're trying to normalize the carrying of guns, not trying to shove it down peoples' throats.

    For the record, you won't find anybody else that's more pro-2A than those 2, as well as the rest of the gun bloggers like them. Robb Allen, Tamara K, Roberta X, Caleb Giddings (from Top Shot), Alan from SnarkyBytes, and a whole list of others. I think you guys need to focus your efforts on those HURTING the OC movement than those that promote it.
    I tend to agree, it would be like carrying a .44 magnum handgun into a library. Those things have brought down elephants in Africa for gods sake, no need to carry one of those. A .25 or .32 would be much more appropriate in a library setting, much more civilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venator View Post
    I tend to agree, it would be like carrying a .44 magnum handgun into a library. Those things have brought down elephants in Africa for gods sake, no need to carry one of those. A .25 or .32 would be much more appropriate in a library setting, much more civilized.
    And CERTAINLY we don't need any 30 round magazines!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJarhead View Post
    Uncle isn't Anti-OC, Anti-2A, or Anti-gun in any way shape or form. Neither is Breda. Do you guys HONESTLY think it's a good idea to carry shotties into a controversial location in the HOPES to make a scene? There is no doubt in anybody's mind at ALL that being brazen, now matter how RIGHT they are, by carrying the shotguns into the library brought the wrong kind of attention to the cause. It goes along with the part where it's common sense to be more polite than normal when carrying.

    We're trying to normalize the carrying of guns, not trying to shove it down peoples' throats.

    For the record, you won't find anybody else that's more pro-2A than those 2, as well as the rest of the gun bloggers like them. Robb Allen, Tamara K, Roberta X, Caleb Giddings (from Top Shot), Alan from SnarkyBytes, and a whole list of others. I think you guys need to focus your efforts on those HURTING the OC movement than those that promote it.
    Please explain why there is so much flack about which gun was used and where it was used when the staggeringly important thing is the simple fact that a unit of government.... a unit of government!... is blatantly violating State law? Why is it so hard to comprehend that the issue isn't the gun or the library but is holding the government to the same standard of obeying the law that us "little insignificant people" have to?

    I can't understand why people don't realize that by us gun owners arguing amongst ourselves using the same arguments the anti gunners use!!! ... you know, sure you have the right to bear arms but just not around children, not where it might "offend" or "scare" someone, and only the kind that don't "offend" or "scare" but you can still bear arms.... is what is hurting the cause more than any one individual carrying a gun in a place some people think shouldn't be done.

    Every time a gun owner/carrier offers up those kinds of arguments the anti's rejoice because the gun owner is doing their dirty work for them.

    If folks really want to further the cause it would be advantageous to not allow the discussion to stray from the real issue of the library violating the law.....
    Last edited by Bikenut; 02-16-2011 at 05:11 PM.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    The problem Bikenut is they don't realize they have been brainwashed by the antigun hype of the last 40 years! And while they think they are 2A supporters they are really far from it!
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    The arguments they are using are the same ones we have all heard over and over. People will panic.

    When was the last time someone actually experienced anyone panic because of their OC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by autosurgeon View Post
    The problem Bikenut is they don't realize they have been brainwashed by the antigun hype of the last 40 years! And while they think they are 2A supporters they are really far from it!
    My personal opinion:

    "Ban all the guns in the world!" Says the rabid anti gunner.

    "Ban all the guns you want except the ones I like." Says the anti gunner lite.

    "Ban carrying guns by everyone except the police and military!" Says the rabid anti gunner.

    "Only ban certain people, the one's I don't like, from carrying guns." Says the anti gunner lite.

    "Do not allow anyone to carry a gun of any kind anywhere!" Says the rabid anti gunner.

    "Only allow the kinds of guns I like to be carried in the way I like in the places I like... but especially not a scary gun in a library." Says the anti gunner lite.

    Sad thing is... the anti gunner lite doesn't realize he is standing on the same side of the line in the sand that the rabid anti gunner is.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Oh wow look at ALL the women and children running. Obama didn't even run from this protest, but let me guess...this man shouldn't have carried it there because the President could have been SCARED!!!
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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by mudvr1212 View Post
    Oh wow look at ALL the women and children running. Obama didn't even run from this protest, but let me guess...this man shouldn't have carried it there because the President could have been SCARED!!!
    How do we get people used to OCing without OCing?How would exposing illegal acts of local governments in the media be bad?When does educating local governments of the laws we live by become bad?Who do they work for anyway?
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    I mean, there are MANY children at Cabela's, Meijer and other stores that the OCer frequents, but the "2A supporters" over at Bredas and other blog sites don't seem to think it's a bad idea to carry there. Wait, those aren't places where children go to learn! That's right!

    Typically when you support something, you support that in any way, shape or form. Not just this way or that way. It's all or nothing or you're just one of the others...

    And please, if you're not from the state in question, the least you can do is take 20 minutes and read some of our laws to be abreast and then make your comments on legality.



    If you're reading this Breda, most in the OC community do NOT support the openly carrying of a handgun in the 5, 6 or 7 o'clock position. How exactly are you going to have any form of awareness carrying like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahJarhead View Post
    Do you guys HONESTLY think it's a good idea to carry shotties into a controversial location in the HOPES to make a scene?
    I agree! Since a lot of people think concealed carry or open carry is controversial in many locations, you will leave your gun at home, correct? Don't want to make a scene, right?

    Oh, and since a lot of people think owning guns is controversial, you shouldn't be controversial or make a scene by owning one. Please go to your nearest PD and turn it in for destruction.

    Oh, what's that? You didn't mean *your* guns or *your* carry seemed controversial to you or "causes a scene" with a lot of people? Well it is to a lot of people. So, why are you exempt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaneggs View Post
    This goes to show it's not about the D's & R's,although the D's have a long way to go to be in line with our federal and MI constitutions.It's about the citizens taking the responsibility to defend themselves and their fellow citizens by the only means available against armed enemy's,foreign and domestic(all criminals)! It's awfully nice to see a pro-2A D though!
    Ham, there are as many pro 2A dems as there are antis. Same with republicans. Its the person, not the party.

    That being said, and the rest of this post is for the thread, not you Ham, it's all <3 bro

    I think this was a dumb, bone headed move, if and only if EDIT: BOTH of the following things are true.

    1. If they OC'd a shotgun into a library just to prove a point, that's ridiculous.

    2. If in proving said point they sit in a children's section, and spooked a bunch of kids, then that's fatal.

    Remember the anti war cry? THINK OF THE CHILDRENSZZ!!1ONE!1!!11!ONE321!!

    I carry to defend myself, not to push a political agenda, and not to prove a point.

    I argue for the rights of long gunners on here constantly, I take the stance that if it's legal, it's legal, can't have it both ways, but to prove some dumb as point, and scare a bunch of kids was just hitting a hornet's nest, and we will be paying for it in the end. Forget about HB 4009 or SB 59. This kind of ********, at this critical time may have killed it.

    We could have just sat tight, let the stuff land where it does, and see what we get. Nope, someone has to prove a point, and carried a shotgun in a library. An adult in a teen section, with a shotgun? I would have thought, wtf pedo, where is Chris when I need him to expose you, and GTFO of here around my kids. Damn the gun, it was creepy to hang in the kids section, worse to do it a shotgun.
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    You know what? The world we live in sucks and lots of people are anti-gun... but the simple fact of the matter is the act of carrying the shotguns into the library is what CAUSED the representative to add libraries to the list of victim disarmament zones. If they hadn't tried to stick out like a sore thumb, the legislation wouldn't have been submitted.

    This isn't an issue where someone was arrested. If it were, I'd be dumping money into a defense fund. This is an issue where we have to try and let people realize that guns aren't bad, ugly, self-animated objects that want to shoot everything. We have to convince people and we don't do that by OCing what offends THEM most and then sitting in the teen section of the library. 3 men that OC shotguns in the TEEN section of the library is not smart, I don't care if you're anti or pro gun. It's not a matter of what you like, when you're trying to sway opinions, it's what is offensive to OTHER PEOPLE.

    There are 2 ways to get somebody to do something. They can convince you or they can force you. Shotguns are not going to convince people that are sitting on the fence.

    http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/L...ySection=story

    Read it. 3 grown men with shotguns sitting in the teen reading section. That's 100% legal, but it's 100% going to make the librarians and the parents of the children HATE the idea of OC and possibly of guns themselves.

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