ixtow
Founder's Club Member
Within, reason,sure. But to go creating mountains out of non-existent (yet) molehills is just getting a bit ahead of ourselves, is all.
For our part, let's consider a few things.
Put yourself in the shoes of the local cop:
Not including any potentially violent dangers out there, consider how many genuine idiots, an LEO must see/deal with/interact with on his shift.
Many of these idiots-we all see them every day-have a hard time simply pointing a car down the road, and getting somewhere without killing themselves or everyone around them.
Now, factor in the Village Idiot who now also legally posseses a loaded, openly-carried sidearm...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Ya, If Im that officer, Im going to be a little bit concerned about that clown walking around with a loaded firearm...legally or otherwise. As such, I'd probably be inclinded to look into whether or not he's legally doing so, and if he seems to be able to handle himself while doing so...Not too unreasonable, I dont think...
Now, factor in what an officer must think when the Village Idiot immediately goes into some defensive rant, when approached, and starts spouting off about "because I can" and "police state this/police state that..." etc...
Can one not reasonably see what kind of rep this may begin to form in an already-cynical-minded LEO, as well as less-than-pro-gun witnesses?
Ah, I see who you are now.
If Big Brother doesn't give you a permit, you're too dumb to own a gun.
Never mind the analogy you made with cars, which people get permits for by going through a competency tet and spending lots and lots and lots of money. And still can't point it down the road without killing themselves and everyone else. OMG, literally, there IS blood in the streets! Look the next time you pass an accident scene, there really is!
The kind of people you're talking about generally don't know the law, and don't own guns because they think it's illegal, like their TV told them.
They're afraid to own guns, they're afraid to carry guns. They 'know' that they'll go to jail just for talking about guns.
They don't even want to own a gun in the first place. And those who do it to be thug, definitely HIDE that gun because they still believe they aren't suppose to have it just because it exists! Thugs don't get permits, so....
The Permit does what in this scenario?
I understand the point you think you're making, but it's not logical. Think it through beyond the point you're trying to make.
For the same reason I 'overthink' the what ifs of the OC law passing, not passing, being altered, how cops might respond IF it passes, etc.... If you think further than your agenda, you might figure you that your agenda is based on a load of bull you never bothered to question.
It is very frustrating to be the kind of person who can change his believe system in a moment's notice, when faced with evidence proving a need for it. Few people are capable of that. Most think I'm insane because I can do it before I finish a sentence. It makes relating to a world full of people who can't do that very difficult.
I'm not insulting you. What you suggest amounts to justifying 'papers please.' We both know that's not acceptable, so why are you agreeing with it?
It is irrational to think a Bad Guy(tm) would OC at all, ever. Therefore, it is even more irrational to think that Permits for OC will make any difference in Bad Guys carrying. It's an attempt to prove a negative. I don't have a permit anymore, and my pants have not begun to sag. Nor did they sag before I got the permit, or when I was 12 years old. The Permit proves nothing, because the traits that would disqualify exist prior to the permit or the gun, or even knowing about either.
Ho they dress may or may not be stereotypical of criminals. The very same clothing habits can be partaken of people who are not criminal.
It is no different from presuming all Cops are scum just because the lowest human beings I've ever known were all Cops. There are plenty of lowlifes WITHOUT badges, too.
A Rhombus is not a Square, but a Square is a Rhombus.
Converse proofs are a lie, stop falling for it. Or worse, knowingly spreading it...
Plenty of States don't require any permit for OC, and not one of those places has yet to document a problem. These 'fears' are not fears at all, just unfounded excuses to regulate and control.
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