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    Out of date/preempted Loudoun County/Town of Leesburg Code?

    http://www.loudoun.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=1352

    1092.20 Carrying or Discharging Weapons.

    The carrying or discharging, in any park or community center, of any firearm, air gun, gas gun, spring-operated gun, BB gun, slingshot, dart device or bow and arrow is prohibited, except as specifically authorized by the Department of Parks and Recreation in connection with a supervised recreational activity or except as may be carried by a duly authorized law enforcement officer. (Ord. 85-12. Passed 9-16-85.)

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    (5)***Hunting and firearms... No person shall within a park use, carry, or possess firearms of any description, unless he is the authorized holder of a valid commonwealth concealed weapons permit. Such a permit must be on their person when carrying any concealed weapon within the boundaries of any town park....

    Loudoun county/town of leesburg

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    From: Scott.York@loudoun.gov
    To: Ed
    Sent: 1/13/2011 12:48:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
    Subj: RE: BOS Public Input & Business Meeting 1.4.11 & 1.5.11



    Dear Ed,
    Thank you for contacting us regarding Chapter 1092.90 of the Codified
    Ordinances of Loudoun County. The Board of Supervisorís initially addressed
    Code 1092.20 in their meeting on June 16th, 2009, as item 11d. They
    forwarded 1092.20 to the Public Safety and Human Services Committee for review
    (9-0 in favor). 1092.20 was then discussed at the July 8th, 2009 Public
    Safety and Human Services Committee and a recommendation was sent to the Board
    of Supervisorís July 21st, 2009 meeting as item 14d. The language was
    modified as follows:
    1092.20 CARRYING OR DISCHARGING WEAPONS.
    The carrying or discharging, in any park or community center, of any
    firearm, pneumatic gun, air gun, gas gun, spring-operated gun, BB gun,
    slingshot, dart device or bow and arrow in any public park or community center is
    prohibited, except as specifically authorized by the Department of Parks and
    Recreation in connection with a supervised recreational activity or except
    as may be required carried by a duly authorized law enforcement officer..
    (Ord. 85-12. Passed 9-16-85.)
    Since that time, the document on the internet has not been updated, and I
    have contacted the County Attorneyís office about the discrepancy.
    Here are three links to the relevant documents, and the webcast from the
    July 21st Board of Supervisorís meeting.
    Webcast:
    _http://loudoun.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=38&clip_id=1291_ (http://loudoun.granicus.com/MediaPla...8&clip_id=1291)
    Action Report from the July 21st BOS Meeting:
    _http://www.loudoun.gov/controls/speerio/resources/RenderContent.aspx?data=0ca3a990974043eab89731e08d 6ac4
    1a&tabid=312&fmpath=%2fBusiness+Meeting+Packets_
    (http://www.loudoun.gov/controls/spee...eab89731e08d6a
    c41a&tabid=312&fmpath=/Business+Meeting+Packets)
    Item 14d (contains recommendations, background, motions, attachments):
    _http://www.loudoun.gov/controls/speerio/resources/RenderContent.aspx?data=ad402
    f7f183d4ef9a37b93943b8f1ed4&tabid=312&fmpath=%2fBu siness+Meeting+Packets_
    (http://www.loudoun.gov/controls/spee....aspx?data=ad4
    02f7f183d4ef9a37b93943b8f1ed4&tabid=312&fmpath=/Business+Meeting+Packets)

    Please feel free to contact me with any additional questions.
    With warm regards,
    Scott
    Scott K. York
    Scott K. York, Chairman
    Loudoun County Board of Supervisors
    703-777-0204
    _Scott.York@loudoun.gov_ (mailto:Scott.York@loudoun.gov)
    If you would like to subscribe to my e-newsletter, that includes reports
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    (http://www.loudoun.gov/subforms/sub1.htm)
    Please be aware that correspondence sent by or to Loudoun County Board of
    Supervisors and staff members is subject to Virginia's Freedom of
    Information Act.
    Carry On.

    Ed

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    Ed, are you suggesting that the matter was "taken care of"? "Cause I still see they are trying to regulate the carrying of firearms in parks and community centers via a town ordinance.

    So, what's that email supposed to mean, and what's your "carry on" supposed to mean? I'm just an old coot who is easily perfused and conplexed.

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Ed, are you suggesting that the matter was "taken care of"? "Cause I still see they are trying to regulate the carrying of firearms in parks and community centers via a town ordinance.

    So, what's that email supposed to mean, and what's your "carry on" supposed to mean? I'm just an old coot who is easily perfused and conplexed.

    stay safe.
    I was simply posting the email I got back from Scott York when I asked him about this. That is Loudoun County.. I guess I will ALSO have to address Leesburg. Carry On is similar to your "stay safe".. In old coot terms, it means to go back to doing what you were doing. On THIS board it also has a double meaning.. go back to what you were doing and CARRY (wherever legally applicable so that you can STAY SAFE)
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    No person shall within a park use, carry, or possess firearms of any description, unless he is the authorized holder of a valid commonwealth concealed weapons permit. Such a permit must be on their person when carrying any concealed weapon within the boundaries of any town park....
    I just sent them an e-mail. I will post the response here. Thanks for the heads up.

    Ed
    Carry On.

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    Loudoun too

    I just sent Loudoun a follow-up asking why it has not been corrected yet.

    Ed
    Carry On.

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    Ok ed this time i got the "gun" "gum" thing straight

    I noticed the leesburg code at the dog park at the old izak walton park. Signage said no weapons citing the code above referenced

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    Ok ed this time i got the "gun" "gum" thing straight

    I noticed the leesburg code at the dog park at the old izak walton park. Signage said no weapons citing the code above referenced
    photo?

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    In a message dated 2/19/2011 7:08:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kumstattd@leesburgva.gov writes:
    Dear Ed:
    Thank-you for bringing this to our attention. You had asked how long it would take the Council to bring a Town ordinance into compliance with state law. In the case of this kind of ordinance, assuming no involvement of the planning commission, it could take as few as 4-5 weeks to correct, 8 weeks at the outside. The Council would have to initiate an ordinance change at a future meeting, most likely at the March 8th meeting, hold a public hearing, which requires 2 consecutive weeks of prior advertising in a local newspaper of general distribution, and then vote either the night of the public hearing (most likely) or at the next council meeting. I will ask our town attorney to advise us in greater detail on the process.
    Very sincerely yours,
    Kristen Umstattd, Mayor
    Carry On.

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    Ed im there alot will bring camera next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    Ed im there alot will bring camera next time
    clear and fat (high res) please to vagunrights@gmail.com
    Thanks,
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    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    will bring camera next time
    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    photo?
    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    clear and fat (high res) please
    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    What, no post card?
    In progress...
    Carry On.

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    Ed -

    Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification. I was worried there for a moment that you had gone TU on persuing this sort of stuff all the way to resolution.

    Go get 'm, tiger! Think you'll need to take them to court over this?

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Think you'll need to take them to court over this?
    Nope.. They all KNOW me personally and know I am right. It just takes the wheels time to turn.

    This is me workin the airshow last year:

    This is Brooke with the Mayor of Leesburg.. I took the pic while OC.
    Carry On.

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    Ed, OT... but which airshow is that, and when is it held?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Ed, OT... but which airshow is that, and when is it held?

    Thanks!
    http://leesburgairshow.com
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post

    Awesome. Thanks Ed. I'm going to put it on the family calendar!

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    In a message dated 2/23/2011 12:15:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kumstattd@leesburgva.gov writes:
    Dear Ed:
    I raised your 2nd amendment issue during tonight's council worksession. Our town attorney will be bringing an ordinance change to council, we believe, at the next council meeting.
    Very sincerely yours,
    Kristen =
    Carry On.

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    Ed i havent been back to the dog park (he just had a bath; but i emailed a pic of a similar sign i found at fox ridge park posted at the pavailion and softball field. Weapon language is the same. Im assuming the town has a map of their signs or do you want each location i see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    Ed i havent been back to the dog park (he just had a bath; but i emailed a pic of a similar sign i found at fox ridge park posted at the pavailion and softball field. Weapon language is the same. Im assuming the town has a map of their signs or do you want each location i see?
    Anytime we see an illegal sign we should let the authorities know so it can be removed.

    I followed up with both Loudoun and Leesburg today for updates and am waiting for replies.

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    Ed walking the dog this morning the illegal signage is still up in foxridge. Im sure the puppy will make me take him out later will check another park this afternoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by conhntr View Post
    Ed walking the dog this morning the illegal signage is still up in foxridge. Im sure the puppy will make me take him out later will check another park this afternoon
    How bout you send a note to bos@loudoun.gov and tell them about the sign and which park?
    Carry On.

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    I followed up with both today as neither has yet been corrected.
    Carry On.

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    Is it legal to just put up a small sign in the meantime that says the existing sign has illegal language and cite 15.2-915?

    I wonder if we can get express statutory authority to put up such a sign? And express statutory prohibition against the locality removing it?
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    Was in the dogpark again today the signage is still up. From the earlier posts it looks like the mayor claimed 8 weeks at most?

    I will contact her and ask

    A. Has the ordinance been fixed

    B. When will the signs be removed or redacted to remove the illegal language

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