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    How do I respond to: Do you have any Guns in your vehicle?

    I was contemplating this, and kinda would like some input from the Brothers and Sisters on the topic title of this thread. I know i cant lie to a cop, but at the same time i dont know if i want to be treated like a criminal, dragged out of the vehicle, get cuffed, all for 'officer safety'. Needless to say, i roll unloaded. encased, and on the front seat next to me. Not to admit anything; but i may also, at any given time, have a back up gun- unloaded and encased, perhapse behind a seat, or in the trunk. I would not consent to a search of my machine, and wonder if i could refuse to answer the question. Your thoughts, and experiences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    I was contemplating this, and kinda would like some input from the Brothers and Sisters on the topic title of this thread. I know i cant lie to a cop, but at the same time i dont know if i want to be treated like a criminal, dragged out of the vehicle, get cuffed, all for 'officer safety'. Needless to say, i roll unloaded. encased, and on the front seat next to me. Not to admit anything; but i may also, at any given time, have a back up gun- unloaded and encased, perhapse behind a seat, or in the trunk. I would not consent to a search of my machine, and wonder if i could refuse to answer the question. Your thoughts, and experiences?

    Is this consensual?

    Officer, why do you ask?

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    I know how not to answer in Chicago and Janesville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Is this consensual?

    Officer, why do you ask?
    I agree, Why do you ask?
    On the other hand - As long as we are not a convict etc., do we not have the right to have a weapon unoaded, in a case, and in the car? Cops would sure be busy during the hunting season if they were to ask everyone they stopped between September and January!
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    Ignore the question and ask why you were stopped.

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    Someone posted a thread that had a bunch of videos and I think those vids were all about how to handle traffic stops and questioning by law enforcement. I'll look for it but I think some of those vids address your question.

    Edit: Here is the thread with the vids. Hopefully some of those help.
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    Respectfully decline to answer ANY and ALL questions regardless.
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    "I do not have anything illegal in my vehicle" would be another one I would use.
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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    "I do not have anything illegal in my vehicle" would be another one I would use.
    this one i like!

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    That response is a direct contradiction to the videos in your link.

    Don't talk To Cops.




    Anything you say can and most likely will be twisted to use against you.
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    I would generally tell them that I do have an "Unloaded and Encased" firearm. That would give them an understanding that you are legally transporting a firearm without giving them reasonable suspicion for officer safety reasons. I would venture to guess that a police officer who thinks that you are pointing out the fact that you are transporting legally would take that as a sign that you are not gonna just roll over if they get out of line with the stop.

    On a side note, I was informed by and X-Girlfriend (Who is a cop, ) that without consent of the vehicles owner, police officers in Wisconsin can no longer search any vehicle even if evidence is in plain sight. I don't know how true this is, but the police do, and if you bring it up against them, they can be in the "Unlawful search and seizure" category in no time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    That response is a direct contradiction to the videos in your link.

    Don't talk To Cops.




    Anything you say can and most likely will be twisted to use against you.
    truly, and thusly spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    That response is a direct contradiction to the videos in your link.

    Don't talk To Cops.




    Anything you say can and most likely will be twisted to use against you.
    Well, I say it as to answer a question. I never admitted to or denied having a firearm in my vehicle. While not talking to them is the best option, I'll stand by my statement as a backup.
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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    thank you to everyone for their help on this, including those who are unseen, but still exist. it hasnt happened yet, but i like to have a plan, or at least the idea of a plan. overkill? well, i went to Madison to have dinner with my friends once, and....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    thank you to everyone for their help on this, including those who are unseen, but still exist. it hasnt happened yet, but i like to have a plan, or at least the idea of a plan. overkill? well, i went to Madison to have dinner with my friends once, and....................
    And what?

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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Well, I say it as to answer a question. I never admitted to or denied having a firearm in my vehicle. While not talking to them is the best option, I'll stand by my statement as a backup.
    Not trying to bust your balls on this dreary Monday. Officer George Bruch says we aren't going to win in a verbal contest and to try would be like going up against a pro boxer. So I ask this with all due respect. Wouldn't the backup plan be to call your lawyer?
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    I am in NO WAY going to engage protius in an argument. That is NOT my intention. I'm just trying to get this straight. And I am kind of mad on this freakin' cold and dreary President's Day. The way the current admin lies just makes a mockery of the office.

    sidenote: I have a sister named Tholian. Tholian May.

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    The Nutczak book of anti-interrogation say to always reply to a question with another question, Just do not lie to them.
    You have the right to not answer any questions, so use it to your advantage.

    Scenario #1
    Nutczak gets stopped by the po-po for some unknown reason, officer friendly asks, "Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" my response is typically " why do you ask" or something of that nature.
    The well used "Where are you coming from/going to" gets a finger pointing and saying "That way, why is that important?"

    If you get the demand to step out of the vehicle, make sure all windows and doors are closed, lock the doors, and place the keys in your pocket. This will eliminate what many police are referring to now as "A terry frisk of the vehicle" With neither of you having immediate access to the vehicle, any weapon contained within it is now out of play.
    I do not let any officer even reach into my vehicle, I open the window just enough during a stop to hand my DL and paperwork out, that is it.
    I got stopped a week ago, I am quite sure that I have been called many colorful names when he was referring to me back at the station later that night. The stop was for "Loud exhaust" he got a surprised look on his face when I asked what the decibel reading was on my truck, and what the law says maximum decibels are. And the last time his decibel meter was calibrated. Surprisingly he stated he did not have a decibel meter, so then I asked what benchmark he used to determine that my exhaust was in fact loud, and compared to what? (I do have this on video)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    I am in NO WAY going to engage protius in an argument. That is NOT my intention. I'm just trying to get this straight. And I am kind of mad on this freakin' cold and dreary President's Day. The way the current admin lies just makes a mockery of the office.

    sidenote: I have a sister named Tholian. Tholian May.

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    Do you have any guns in your car?

    McX:
    Not just any gun your highness. I have an official Imperial Disruptor. The Gold plated commemorative addition. What's that on your hip? Only a Glock? Well.... I guess that's nice to be you?
    >snicker< >snicker<
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    I certainly can't speak from experience in that situation. But the best option is to avoid directly answering any questions. The less you say, "can and will be used against you in a court of law" Realistically, it's nobody's business, where you were coming from, or going to, what your doing there, or (fill in the blank). It's all just info gathering to "use against you in a court of law"

    I know of a case where an officer was questioning a teenager about a theft. He was denying, his acquaintances apparently knew he sold the item on Craigslist. But there was not enough evidence to charge him. There was no ad found, no money, the item was not found etc. But the officer lied and told him, I will subpoena the records from CL and if I find your info there, then I will also charge you with obstruction in addition with the theft...Well he caved and admitted to everything. But if he hadn't said nothing, he would not have gotten charged. Because there wasn't enough evidence. I don't have to much negative to say about that situation. Apparently everybody knew he was guilty, just wasn't enough to charge without his admission. But just goes to show you, Don't say anything!

    I know of another situation where a 20yr old put himself in a bad situation. He was being intently questioned, he denied everything the whole time. It went to court, he was convicted of a silly little thing, that he did admit to. But he was found not guilty of the bigger issue because there was no evidence. He told me that he kept hearing me in his head tell him, don't admit to anything, don't say anything. So he held to it and it kept him from a more serious charge. But he did learn his lesson about the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post

    oh, ooga-tooga, cant you hear me talking to ya?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCtMvdWiXE


    F*ck it. I'm gonna go look at new guns.
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    "Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    The Nutczak book of anti-interrogation say to always reply to a question with another question, Just do not lie to them.
    You have the right to not answer any questions, so use it to your advantage.

    Scenario #1
    Nutczak gets stopped by the po-po for some unknown reason, officer friendly asks, "Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" my response is typically " why do you ask" or something of that nature.
    The well used "Where are you coming from/going to" gets a finger pointing and saying "That way, why is that important?"

    If you get the demand to step out of the vehicle, make sure all windows and doors are closed, lock the doors, and place the keys in your pocket. This will eliminate what many police are referring to now as "A terry frisk of the vehicle" With neither of you having immediate access to the vehicle, any weapon contained within it is now out of play.
    I do not let any officer even reach into my vehicle, I open the window just enough during a stop to hand my DL and paperwork out, that is it.
    I got stopped a week ago, I am quite sure that I have been called many colorful names when he was referring to me back at the station later that night. The stop was for "Loud exhaust" he got a surprised look on his face when I asked what the decibel reading was on my truck, and what the law says maximum decibels are. And the last time his decibel meter was calibrated. Surprisingly he stated he did not have a decibel meter, so then I asked what benchmark he used to determine that my exhaust was in fact loud, and compared to what? (I do have this on video)
    I think I remember seeing a video like that. HAHAHAHA! This is the Socialist Republic of Minocqua, good thing you had the ability to record that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCtMvdWiXE


    F*ck it. I'm gonna go look at new guns.
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