How do I respond to: Do you have any Guns in your vehicle?

Do you have any guns in your car?

McX:
Not just any gun your highness. I have an official Imperial Disruptor. The Gold plated commemorative addition. What's that on your hip? Only a Glock? Well.... I guess that's nice to be you?

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>snicker< >snicker<

I certainly can't speak from experience in that situation. But the best option is to avoid directly answering any questions. The less you say, "can and will be used against you in a court of law" Realistically, it's nobody's business, where you were coming from, or going to, what your doing there, or (fill in the blank). It's all just info gathering to "use against you in a court of law"

I know of a case where an officer was questioning a teenager about a theft. He was denying, his acquaintances apparently knew he sold the item on Craigslist. But there was not enough evidence to charge him. There was no ad found, no money, the item was not found etc. But the officer lied and told him, I will subpoena the records from CL and if I find your info there, then I will also charge you with obstruction in addition with the theft...Well he caved and admitted to everything. But if he hadn't said nothing, he would not have gotten charged. Because there wasn't enough evidence. I don't have to much negative to say about that situation. Apparently everybody knew he was guilty, just wasn't enough to charge without his admission. But just goes to show you, Don't say anything!

I know of another situation where a 20yr old put himself in a bad situation. He was being intently questioned, he denied everything the whole time. It went to court, he was convicted of a silly little thing, that he did admit to. But he was found not guilty of the bigger issue because there was no evidence. He told me that he kept hearing me in his head tell him, don't admit to anything, don't say anything. So he held to it and it kept him from a more serious charge. But he did learn his lesson about the whole thing.

McX said:

oh, ooga-tooga, cant you hear me talking to ya?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCtMvdWiXE


F*ck it. I'm gonna go look at new guns.

Nutczak said:

The Nutczak book of anti-interrogation say to always reply to a question with another question, Just do not lie to them.
You have the right to not answer any questions, so use it to your advantage.

Scenario #1
Nutczak gets stopped by the po-po for some unknown reason, officer friendly asks, "Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" my response is typically " why do you ask" or something of that nature.
The well used "Where are you coming from/going to" gets a finger pointing and saying "That way, why is that important?"

If you get the demand to step out of the vehicle, make sure all windows and doors are closed, lock the doors, and place the keys in your pocket. This will eliminate what many police are referring to now as "A terry frisk of the vehicle" With neither of you having immediate access to the vehicle, any weapon contained within it is now out of play.
I do not let any officer even reach into my vehicle, I open the window just enough during a stop to hand my DL and paperwork out, that is it.
I got stopped a week ago, I am quite sure that I have been called many colorful names when he was referring to me back at the station later that night. The stop was for "Loud exhaust" he got a surprised look on his face when I asked what the decibel reading was on my truck, and what the law says maximum decibels are. And the last time his decibel meter was calibrated. Surprisingly he stated he did not have a decibel meter, so then I asked what benchmark he used to determine that my exhaust was in fact loud, and compared to what? (I do have this on video)

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I think I remember seeing a video like that. HAHAHAHA! This is the Socialist Republic of Minocqua, good thing you had the ability to record that guy.

HandyHamlet said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCtMvdWiXE


F*ck it. I'm gonna go look at new guns.

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Tull? well i'll be damned, saw him some years back, good concert, got the t-shirt too!

I got pulled over about a month ago for speeding. The officer asked me three different times, if I had any weapons in my truck. I responded with no sir, every time he asked. He then brought to my attention the pro gun stickers I had in my back window. I asked if they were illegal, he said no. He gave me a warning for speeding, and that was that.

McX said:

Tull? well i'll be damned, saw him some years back, good concert, got the t-shirt too!

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And by t-shirt you mean 3/4 sleeve concert jersey? Black with white sleeves? Even if it was just a tee please lie to me.

(as tear -o- nostalgia runs down my big fat cheek)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaHAvEEbQOE

HandyHamlet said:

I am in NO WAY going to engage protius in an argument. That is NOT my intention. I'm just trying to get this straight. And I am kind of mad on this freakin' cold and dreary President's Day. The way the current admin lies just makes a mockery of the office.

sidenote: I have a sister named Tholian. Tholian May.

(God bless Kevin Matthews)

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I do not desire to quarrel with anyone either. I am merely stating my own opinion.

HandyHamlet said:

And by t-shirt you mean 3/4 sleeve concert jersey? Black with white sleeves? Even if it was just a tee please lie to me.

(as tear -o- nostalgia runs down my big fat cheek)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaHAvEEbQOE

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i think it is a black t-shirt, with him and his flute, in his famous pose. you'll see it on me this summer, if i'm not buisy with a zombie apoclypse.

Well we are close. I have two KZ900s too. ( the preferred Apocalypse motorcycles featured in Mad Maxx ) So I say bring it on zombie bitches. And I hear you. I wouldn't be wearing my best tee for engaging in zombie work either. It gets messy really fast.

HandyHamlet said:

Well we are close. I have two KZ900s too. ( the preferred Apocalypse motorcycles featured in Mad Maxx ) So I say bring it on zombie bitches. And I hear you. I wouldn't be wearing my best tee for engaging in zombie work either. It gets messy really fast.

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if it's all the same to you, i'll drive that tanker, hey, i want to drive that truck! heh-heh.

"Officer, I'm going to exercise my right to remain silent. Also, am I being detained? If not, I'd really like to be on my way."

Repeat ad nauseam.

NEVER talk to cops. They exist almost solely to screw you, in my book. Public protection is a distant second.

first thing you should before anything is said at time of stop is ask what seems to be the problem officer. establish the reason for the stop and any other thing brought up un related to reason of stop you should ask what does that have to do with alleged reason of stop officer. and say alleged cause you wouldn't want to say i.e. what does that have to do with me not wearing my seat belt? never admit your wrong , they do wear mic's for recordings and if he presses the issue then it is best to say I rather remain silent at this time and then do just that. now here in tx we have a problem of it being manditory to show them your ccl when you are stopped and that may present a concern for the officer to ask if you have a gun in car. not all states are like that and I don't know if tx has changed ....does anyone out there know?

GoPro Video Recorder On My Dash!

Nutczak said:

The Nutczak book of anti-interrogation say to always reply to a question with another question, Just do not lie to them.
You have the right to not answer any questions, so use it to your advantage.

Scenario #1
Nutczak gets stopped by the po-po for some unknown reason, officer friendly asks, "Do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" my response is typically " why do you ask" or something of that nature.
The well used "Where are you coming from/going to" gets a finger pointing and saying "That way, why is that important?"

If you get the demand to step out of the vehicle, make sure all windows and doors are closed, lock the doors, and place the keys in your pocket. This will eliminate what many police are referring to now as "A terry frisk of the vehicle" With neither of you having immediate access to the vehicle, any weapon contained within it is now out of play.
I do not let any officer even reach into my vehicle, I open the window just enough during a stop to hand my DL and paperwork out, that is it.
I got stopped a week ago, I am quite sure that I have been called many colorful names when he was referring to me back at the station later that night. The stop was for "Loud exhaust" he got a surprised look on his face when I asked what the decibel reading was on my truck, and what the law says maximum decibels are. And the last time his decibel meter was calibrated. Surprisingly he stated he did not have a decibel meter, so then I asked what benchmark he used to determine that my exhaust was in fact loud, and compared to what? (I do have this on video)

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I like it! I too record ALL INTERACTIONS with the government "employees". And I do mean ALL of them. Several of us have video cameras mounted in our vehicles which record continuously. I use the GoPro (Thanks to Doug Huffman for pointing it out to me) and it works great. Very small and records for 8.5 hours (plugged in to the charger of course) and the video is flawless. It is good to have proof of what "REALLY" happened.

McX said:

How do I respond to: do you have any guns in your vehicle?
Your thoughts, and experiences?

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I can tell you from personal experience that answering "yes, I do" is a BAD idea.
Especially in Brookfield.
If I had it to do over again, I would have remained silent or said "why do you ask" or "why do you need to know"?
Also would keep the window rolled up enough that the officer can't reach in & unlock, then open my door.
It's a sad day when the simple truth of not breaking a law can be used against you by a gov't official.
(Luckily the DA read the laws & refused to do anything more to me.)

CalicoJack10 said:

...without consent of the vehicles owner, police officers in Wisconsin can no longer search any vehicle even if evidence is in plain sight.

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Any idea on when this changed?
Because it used to be that anything they could see through the window was fair game.
Good reason to keep the inside of the car clean, or at least throw a blanket over things.
Even with this new interpretation, they could hold you 'til they got a search warrant, based on what they can see or smell.

Nutczak said:

If you get the demand to step out of the vehicle, make sure all windows and doors are closed, lock the doors, and place the keys in your pocket. This will eliminate what many police are referring to now as "A terry frisk of the vehicle"

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Again, except in Brookfield.
They stole my keys from my pocket (over my loud & clear refusal to accede to any search of myself or my car), unlocked & searched my car, opened the completely zipped case, & seized my pistol.
At best, I made their crime worse & more apparent for the DA.
It sure didn't stop them from doing the deed. They claimed it was "for your safety & ours". How could anything (other than a bomb) inside the (locked) car be a danger to any of us, esp. when I was at least 30' away & in cuffs??

The stop was for "Loud exhaust" he got a surprised look on his face when I asked what the decibel reading was on my truck, and what the law says maximum decibels are. And the last time his decibel meter was calibrated. Surprisingly he stated he did not have a decibel meter, so then I asked what benchmark he used to determine that my exhaust was in fact loud, and compared to what?

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This subjective crap law we have now doesn't hold up when a cop writes a ticket for one of those deafeningly loud exhausts (esp. on motorcycles), & the driver goes to court with entirely reasonable questions like yours.
The law needs to be re-written to include X decibels at Y inches and at what general angle from the end of the muffler / tailpipe, and at idle or revving to what RPM.
(Directly behind? 90 degrees? 2000RPM? 5000RPM?)

[rant]
I ride.
I value riding, so I don't do it in a way that infuriates others who don't ride but do vote, who might get it into their heads to restrict my rights because of the actions of others. (Sort of how we law-abiding open carriers can't carry concealed because criminals have acted badly.)

I obey (most of) the rules of the road. (I have a bit of a heavy throttle hand.)

I wish we could split lanes here in WI, but even when it's very tempting I don't. One more law that needs to be changed.

My mufflers are quieter than required by law, in large part because I value my hearing, but also because I don't want to be rude & annoy everyone I pass. Noise has no effect on involvement in a crash. It's not a safety feature. And by altering the exhaust system, you're changing (generally lowering) the power output. [/rant]

McX said:

Tull? well i'll be damned, saw him some years back, good concert, got the t-shirt too!

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In Wisconsin I would not answer him, but I'd ask the officer if I was being detained. If he said "No" I'd leave.

They claimed it was "for your safety & ours".

the most scurrilous lie i have heard, next to totality of circumstances.

"....And by altering the exhaust system, you're changing (generally lowering) the power output."

huh?

1FASTC4 said:

"....And by altering the exhaust system, you're changing (generally lowering) the power output."

huh?

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loud pipes save lives baby. my Linc. has dual Hush Thrush on it. rumble on!

HandyHamlet said:

That response is a direct contradiction to the videos in your link.

Don't talk To Cops.




Anything you say can and most likely will be twisted to use against you.

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Unfortunately that's the truth.