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    "Outfit your own private army in Arizona"

    "Need to outfit your private army…a drug cartel…a crime syndicate?

    Arizona appears to be the place to go to buy a five hundred AK47s if you can afford them.

    And if you plan to smuggle your arsenal into Mexico, you can even count on ATF looking the other way.

    Interesting Arizona Republic story:

    'Arizona has few rifle-sale limits

    by Robert Anglen on Feb. 20, 2011, under Arizona Republic News

    A man approaches the counter at a Glendale gun store and asks for five AK-47 rifles.

    Three days later, he returns and buys seven pistols. Two weeks later, he buys 20 more AK-47s.

    Over the next several months, federal agents say, the same man, Uriel Patino of Phoenix, will return to Lone Wolf Trading Co. 18 times, buying a total of 42 handguns and 190 semiautomatic rifles.

    Patino tells store clerks that all 232 guns are for his personal use.'"

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-b.../#comment-9067

    Much more at link.

    And I left a lengthy comment/light fisking.

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    just read the article.

    Dont know what to think
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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Wow. The owner of the shop is clearing unable (or unwilling) to see beyond his cash register... I wonder how many Mexicans and possibly even Americans died from the weapons he supplied, directly, to the gangs that are tearing that counrty apart.
    Freedom can never be lost, only given away by ignorance, by choice, or at the point of a gun. Here in America we can still choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    Wow. The owner of the shop is clearing unable (or unwilling) to see beyond his cash register... I wonder how many Mexicans and possibly even Americans died from the weapons he supplied, directly, to the gangs that are tearing that counrty apart.
    And I wonder how much pressure may have been applied by ATF to encourage him to complete those sales? There is just something beyond all the obvious errors and editorializing in the newspaper story (the correct word, as it's more fiction than truth) that does not add up.

    No tin foil hat just yet. But the hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

    stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    I wonder how many Mexicans and possibly even Americans died from the weapons he supplied, directly, to the gangs that are tearing that counrty apart.
    Don't you mean "ATF supplied"?
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    "Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    And I wonder how much pressure may have been applied by ATF to encourage him to complete those sales? There is just something beyond all the obvious errors and editorializing in the newspaper story (the correct word, as it's more fiction than truth) that does not add up.

    No tin foil hat just yet. But the hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

    stay safe.
    Sir, are you suggesting that our fine federal overlords would kindly ask a citizen taxpayer to do something immoral? Posh.
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    It's really a sorry state of RV Rental Arizona affairs, certain things has to be curbed and looked into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cemkage View Post
    It's really a sorry state of affairs, certain things has to be curbed and looked into.
    Yeah. Starting with the batfe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemkage View Post
    It's really a sorry state of affairs, certain things has to be curbed and looked into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Yeah. Starting with the batfe.
    And if you don't know what Gunslinger is refering to, google "project gunwalker"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Yeah. Starting with the batfe.
    It would appear that BATF was creating the conditions on which to base their 'case' of weapons from the US being smuggled into Mexico. Manufacturing evidence... if not planting it, for propaganda purposes and 'photo ops'. Quite possibly, the dealers affected may have had their FFL's threatened if they didn't cooperate. This is Mafioso type thug tactics. Don't expect this news weenie to exercise any critcal thinking skills... They'll just write about the act... not the causative reasons for such.
    Last edited by Sonora Rebel; 03-17-2011 at 03:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    It would appear that BATF was creating the conditions on which to base their 'case' of weapons from the US being smuggled into Mexico. Manufacturing evidence... if not planting it, for propaganda purposes and 'photo ops'. Quite possibly, the dealers affected may have had their FFL's threatened if they didn't cooperate. This is Mafioso type thug tactics. Don't expect this news weenie to exercise any critcal thinking skills... They'll just write about the act... not the causative reasons for such.
    Classic tactics from the SA under this crypto-marxist regime. Lies, cheating, teleprompter BS, illegal activity and plausable denial--or attempting it. Worked for Stalin and Hitler, Mao, Pot-pol and other heroes of the 'messiah.' Why not for him?

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