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    illinois reciprocity bill introduced

    Rep Morthland has introduced a bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...84&LegID=60461 which will provide for anyone to cc in IL provided they have a valid ccw issued by any state.

    This not only provides for reciprocity but also gives I'LL residents a second chance at getting cc.

    Let's keep up on this and try and get both of them passed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    Rep Morthland has introduced a bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...84&LegID=60461 which will provide for anyone to cc in IL provided they have a valid ccw issued by any state.

    This not only provides for reciprocity but also gives I'LL residents a second chance at getting cc.

    Let's keep up on this and try and get both of them passed....
    It RTC fails this session it would be great if this one gets by.

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    So let me get this straight, IL residents would be content letting non-residents discreetly carry a firearm in Illinois, even though IL residents are strictly forbidden from exercising that same right?

    Let me know how that works out for ya, k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    So let me get this straight, IL residents would be content letting non-residents discreetly carry a firearm in Illinois, even though IL residents are strictly forbidden from exercising that same right?

    Let me know how that works out for ya, k?
    I won't trample others rights just because my state tramples mine. I think if that scenario were to play out it would be a massive equal protection issue. If it were to happen and they did not remedy the situation, a cross border primary residence in WI would be contemplated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutczak View Post
    So let me get this straight, IL residents would be content letting non-residents discreetly carry a firearm in Illinois, even though IL residents are strictly forbidden from exercising that same right?

    Let me know how that works out for ya, k?
    It would work out fine for me. Anyone with a LTC from any state can carry. I have a Utah and Pa non-resident LTC, I'd be happy with it going that. I'd be one of the "anyones" carrying.

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    That would be wonderful. I have relatives in Michigan I must visit, and unless I want to drive an extra day, no way around Illinois.

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    This would be great for Illinois. They could easily get a permit from another state, and through this bill, they can carry in their state. I may be legally wrong, but thats my interpretation. And once people from from IL can carry due to this reciprocity, they will ask for their own carry licences, which should be an easier since they are already carrying under a different states licence.

    I know this isnt Constitutional Carry, and some complain that it isnt enough right away. But this is the most restrictive state, and will definately need to take baby steps.

    Hopefully one day Chicago will realise "More Guns, Less Crime." The irony in the book I just mentioned is that the author used to be a professor at the University of Chicago. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michigan0626 View Post
    Hopefully one day Chicago will realise "More Guns, Less Crime." The irony in the book I just mentioned is that the author used to be a professor at the University of Chicago. Go figure.
    In that book, Lott wrote that prior to beginning his research, he had never owned a gun and was in favor of gun control, expecting to find a correlation between gun availability and crime. The more he learned in research, the more his view shifted away from gun control advocacy. He realized that logic was on our side, and proved it in his books.

    There is also a reciprocity bill in the House of Representatives now, I think it's 822, that would mandate that a CC license from any state be valid in all 50 states. It may become unrecognizable due to amendments, or never pass, but that's its current form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    Rep Morthland has introduced a bill: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...84&LegID=60461 which will provide for anyone to cc in IL provided they have a valid ccw issued by any state.

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    I think I read this bill 3 times...by the 3rd time everything was glazing over....where is the CCW exception? I see a lot of professional exceptions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    I think I read this bill 3 times...by the 3rd time everything was glazing over....where is the CCW exception? I see a lot of professional exceptions...
    Page 7 lines 6 & 7...

    (6)Any person who has a valid permit or license to carry a handgun issued by any state.

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    My question is why is it assigned to the Agriculture and Conservation Committee? If none of the D's line up with the Amendment does it die right there in a fallow field? (see what i did there...field, agriculture)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfish View Post
    Page 7 lines 6 & 7...

    (6)Any person who has a valid permit or license to carry a handgun issued by any state.
    I must be reading something different...the link in the first post is one page and the lines are not numbered...

    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet View Post
    My question is why is it assigned to the Agriculture and Conservation Committee? If none of the D's line up with the Amendment does it die right there in a fallow field? (see what i did there...field, agriculture)
    Not unprecedented....FL permits are issued by Dept of Agriculture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfish View Post

    got it thanks.

    I was reading this one
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    What a few people seem to be failing to realize is that it states " anyone who has a valid license issued by any state". Doesn't say you have to be a resident of that state.

    I'll veterans can get a florida ccw for 117$ plus dd214. I'll non vets can take a class and get non resident utah (prices vary depending on course fee)

    This bill is for 100% reciprocity, does not exclude anyone, and as such would be a "backup plan" for illinois residents.

    While not ideal and not perfect it would be a step in the right direction...
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    Both this bill and the safe families act (il ccw permits) are being held in committee on mar 8.

    Do we have anyone who will be attending?
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    I may need to start another thread on this, but a question...

    I am a Maryland resident.
    Wife is a landowner in IL.
    I have a CCW from Utah.

    How does this bill affect me, and does FOID trump any of this??

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr H View Post
    I may need to start another thread on this, but a question...

    I am a Maryland resident.
    Wife is a landowner in IL.
    I have a CCW from Utah.

    How does this bill affect me, and does FOID trump any of this??

    Thanks!!
    The way this bill is written it would ammend the code to allow anyone who has a valid license issued by another state to carry on that license. Illinois residents would still be recquired to obtain a foid but "visitors" would be able to carry on their license from another state.

    Also this bill does not specify that it applies to only non-residents so illinois residents could get licenses from other states (utah and florida being popular and easy to obtain).
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    The way this bill is written it would ammend the code to allow anyone who has a valid license issued by another state to carry on that license. Illinois residents would still be recquired to obtain a foid but "visitors" would be able to carry on their license from another state.

    Also this bill does not specify that it applies to only non-residents so illinois residents could get licenses from other states (utah and florida being popular and easy to obtain).
    Here's hoping...

    Much appreciated!

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    This is Awesome!!!!

    I almost gave up hope on my home state IL of one day being able to visit my family armed. However, I have some questions:

    1) Since IL is not a Pre-Emp state, will the proposed bill keep me from having to know what all the gun laws are in each city and county?!?
    2) What will the proposed bill do about 1000' school zones?!?
    3) Will Chicago still be off limits?!?

    Believe me when I say, I want this bill to pass on many levels because I hate driving all the way to Chicago to see my family unarmed!!! Thanks in advance for any clarification anyone can provide!!
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    I agree, a friend of mine asked you want to go check out some property I am looking at, when we hit the bridge on the Wabash to go into IL, I looked at him and said you know your not going into that state right(glock on my belt), he was less then happy to make the 20 miles drive home to drop off my gun
    Quote Originally Posted by lockman View Post
    I won't trample others rights just because my state tramples mine. I think if that scenario were to play out it would be a massive equal protection issue. If it were to happen and they did not remedy the situation, a cross border primary residence in WI would be contemplated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfologist View Post
    I almost gave up hope on my home state IL of one day being able to visit my family armed. However, I have some questions:

    1) Since IL is not a Pre-Emp state, will the proposed bill keep me from having to know what all the gun laws are in each city and county?!?
    2) What will the proposed bill do about 1000' school zones?!?
    3) Will Chicago still be off limits?!?

    Believe me when I say, I want this bill to pass on many levels because I hate driving all the way to Chicago to see my family unarmed!!! Thanks in advance for any clarification anyone can provide!!
    Well I am not to up on illinois lzw as much as I should be since I don't currently reside there.

    However this bill is shall-issue so the sheriff has to issue you a permit if you are qualified.

    That being said I don't know if illinois is prempt or not so if they are not counties and cities can make laws prohibiting cc in their jurisdictions. (Like I said not sure of specific illinois code or premption status)

    As far as the school zones are concerned federally you would be covered. (Not sure about illinois state law though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    I'll veterans can get a florida ccw for 117$ plus dd214. I'll non vets can take a class and get non resident utah (prices vary depending on course fee)
    I wouldn't go the Utah route. They will no longer issue permits to anybody who doesn't have a permit from their home state if that state recognizes Utah permits. With IL not issuing any permits, that makes it impossible to get.

    Go for an Arizona permit. For those without a DD-214, you can take any NRA course or hunter safety course. Also, the state fee is only $60 for a 5-year permit. If you shop around a bit your total cost will be well under $200.

    Plus AZ recognition is comparable to UT or FL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PracticalTactical View Post
    I wouldn't go the Utah route. They will no longer issue permits to anybody who doesn't have a permit from their home state if that state recognizes Utah permits. With IL not issuing any permits, that makes it impossible to get.
    I know they were talking about that but did not know they stopped doing that. Link for reference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PracticalTactical View Post
    I wouldn't go the Utah route. They will no longer issue permits to anybody who doesn't have a permit from their home state if that state recognizes Utah permits. With IL not issuing any permits, that makes it impossible to get.

    Go for an Arizona permit. For those without a DD-214, you can take any NRA course or hunter safety course. Also, the state fee is only $60 for a 5-year permit. If you shop around a bit your total cost will be well under $200.

    Plus AZ recognition is comparable to UT or FL.

    I highly recommend the AZ permit frequently. But I think you are confusing the UT thing just a tad.

    They will only issue to a non-resident if he has a home state permit IF his home state honors the UT permit. Since IL does not honor the UT permit, an IL resident does not have to have a home state permit.

    Line 74 of the bill

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