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    MI constitutional carry petition

    www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/598/802/600

    has anyone seen this? wondering if it was valid or if they are trying to get something going

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    I dunno, but I believe that's the group started by a former MOC member, who got dissatisfied with something, left and started his own group. I can't say how sincere they are. I don't know them. I don't know the total circumstances behind the split. I don't even know if I have the story right or not. I'm sure though, someone will come along and correct me, if I'm wrong.

    But I have a slight problem with signing a petition on a website that says among other things, the following:
    Sign up now, to join the largest online community of people making a difference in healthy and green living, human rights and animal welfare
    First, I don't believe in global warming, and it seems to me, they do.
    Second, although they didn't say "animal rights", I'm seriously suspicious they might be in league with the Humane Society of the United States, or even worse, PETA. Until I know for sure, I'm not touching that petition.

    But that's just me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    I dunno, but I believe that's the group started by a former MOC member, who got dissatisfied with something, left and started his own group. I can't say how sincere they are. I don't know them. I don't know the total circumstances behind the split. I don't even know if I have the story right or not. I'm sure though, someone will come along and correct me, if I'm wrong.

    But I have a slight problem with signing a petition on a website that says among other things, the following:
    First, I don't believe in global warming, and it seems to me, they do.
    Second, although they didn't say "animal rights", I'm seriously suspicious they might be in league with the Humane Society of the United States, or even worse, PETA. Until I know for sure, I'm not touching that petition.

    But that's just me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    The green you are referring to is the host company for the on-line petition, not CLSD. CLSD is trying to be the lead on Constitutional Carry in Michigan and is planning a rally in Lansing in May 2012. CLSD is not associated nor does it reflect the policy of Care2. CLDS is using the on-line petition service only.
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    Venator, is correct the site is a third party site that allows for people to form online petitions. There are thousands of petitions on the site from all political view points. It has nothing to do with CLSD and other petitions that are on the site do not necessarily reflect CLSD's beliefs. Also, the petition is not finished yet.

    In regards to the conjecture of the origins of CLSD that is completely false and this issue has been addressed on this forum.
    It is not based in facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generaldet View Post
    Venator, is correct the site is a third party site that allows for people to form online petitions. There are thousands of petitions on the site from all political view points. It has nothing to do with CLSD and other petitions that are on the site do not necessarily reflect CLSD's beliefs. Also, the petition is not finished yet.

    In regards to the conjecture of the origins of CLSD that is completely false and this issue has been addressed on this forum.
    It is not based in facts.
    See, I knew someone would correct me.
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    I'm afraid that if there were 2 million signatures for constitutional carry, it wouldn't make a difference in Lansing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I'm afraid that if there were 2 million signatures for constitutional carry, it wouldn't make a difference in Lansing.
    Maybe so, but it never hurts to try.
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    Vermont always had Constitutional Carry, then Alaska, then Arizona. Constitutional Carry is only just beginning as a serious movement and it has in no way run out of steam. Like Florida with their shall-issue concealed carry law, it was a trend-setter. 20 years from now I predict that the majority of States will go over to the Constitutional Carry system. Montana is currently Constitutional Carry everywhere except cities and they are very likely to be changing that this year. There are serious Constitutional Carry movements in numerous other States.

    It will happen in Michigan, give it a few good years of effort. That effort starts now with petitions like the one proposed. The Antis have no good argument against Constitutional Carry (like they had no good argument against concealed-carry). Constitutional Carry has not been a problem in Vermont, Alaska nor Arizona!

    I very much look forward to this trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generaldet View Post
    Also, the petition is not finished yet.
    Make sure you make a thread here when it is.
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    When this petition is not backed up by a reputable organization for gun rights, and I cannot read the petition.

    I am skeptical, on signing this petition, as it may not be used for constitutional carry in Michigan,
    but some other purpose.

    If the petition, is backed by Michigan Open Carry, then I will sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gort View Post
    When this petition is not backed up by a reputable organization for gun rights, and I cannot read the petition.

    I am skeptical, on signing this petition, as it may not be used for constitutional carry in Michigan,
    but some other purpose.

    If the petition, is backed by Michigan Open Carry, then I will sign.
    So, you're saying the Citizens' League for Self Defense is not a reputable organization?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Gay Al View Post
    So, you're saying the Citizens' League for Self Defense is not a reputable organization?
    My mistake, I did not notice that Generaldet had posted this petition, I have all the respect for what he is doing for the rights of the people of Michigan and look forward to reading this petition, and I will support this petition.
    Again My mistake.

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    Thumbs down

    i don't think anyone trusts or gets who is behind this petition. it does not surprise me that it still has ZERO signatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGKzoo View Post
    i don't think anyone trusts or gets who is behind this petition. it does not surprise me that it still has ZERO signatures.
    Are you serious? Perhaps you did not read the other posts. There are ZERO signatures because the petition has not been completed and released yet. In the next few days this will be out.

    You can't sign something that doesn't yet exist.
    Last edited by Generaldet; 02-28-2011 at 10:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGKzoo View Post
    i don't think anyone trusts or gets who is behind this petition. it does not surprise me that it still has ZERO signatures.

    You might want to slow down a bit. The petition is not done yet so obviously it has no signatures, and if you personally do not know who is behind it, I suggest you ask. Many of us do know who is behind it and are members of his org.

    www.citizensleaguesd.com is the web site and his handle on the forum is generaldet
    Last edited by Super Trucker; 02-28-2011 at 10:40 PM.

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    Thanks Super Trucker. This will be finished shortly and as Eastmeyers suggested I'll create a thread for it.

    We hope to announce the date for the rally in Lansing soon as well. The paperwork has been filled with the state, I'd just like to get confirmation before we announce it to avoid any confusion.

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