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    I broke the law!! Empty holster o noes!

    A funny story for you guys. It is another one of those "really? seriously? you have to be kidding." moments when it comes to the law. I play poker and I love tournament play. After work on Wednesday I came home and rushed to change out of my work clothes and shower. The tournament started at 7pm at GVR and I was cutting it close. I threw on my dress slacks and out of habit put my belt holster on and spaced on my wallet. This is one of the few times I don't carry because I like to drink and have a good time while making some money playing against bad players.

    After a few cocktails I head to the bathroom and get stopped by security. He asked if I was carrying. I told him no I was not. He then asked where my firearm was. I refused to answer. He then asked for my I.D. Not having my wallet I answered honestly that I did not have it. Even if I did have it I would not have shown it. He informed me it was illegal to enter a casino without I.D. but he would let it slide. I didn't want to argue with him because I needed to get back to the tournament.

    After the tournament (i won btw!!) I went to collect my money. I was told I needed to provide I.D. by the floorman. It was under 1000 bucks so I was pretty sure I did not need to show in order to collect. She then informed me that it was illegal to enter a casino without I.D. /facepalm. I then asked her what the NRS law number she was referring to. She did not answer but said "everybody knows it". She stated she would "do me a favor" and look me up in the casino data base for my players card number. I asked why she needed my name. She stated that she had to fill out paper work on who won and could not simply put "the guy in the red hat". Another dealer knew my name and I ended up getting paid.

    I went to the main cage to cash in my winning chips. I was laughing and told the cage guy what had happened thinking someone would be sane. I guessed wrong He stated that not only is it illegal to enter a casino without I.D. but according to Nevada law you can't leave your house without government identification. I asked what NRS number he read that from and his answer says it all. He responded "yeah the NRS that is where it says it." I asked what section since he is so familiar with it. He replied " casino law, gaming law, I.D. law, vangrancy law, and a few other places."

    Next time I have a question about any laws I will be heading to GVR. They know everything!

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    If I ask for a customer to produce ID to verify their age, and they "don't have it," I inform them that they can not be in the casino without ID. Inevitably, I get hit with "What law says that?" I typically respond, "this is a privately owned establishment. It is our policy to require that every patron have a photo ID recognized by the United States in their immediate possession at all times while on the casino floor."

    In the club I work at, we do not accept identification issued by a foreign government. People always throw a hissy fit when we tell them we do not accept Mexican, Canadian, or other drivers licenses. "Not to worry," I tell them, "The US State Department clears all passports issued by other countries, we will gladly accept it as a form of ID." and then I have to listen to them cry about how it's in their room at Hotel X, Y or Z. Then I have to go into how we can not possibly know how to identify every ID and drivers license from every country in the world, but Passports we can train our staff to verify and since you must have a passport to enter the US, we know you have one!

    Just like casinos can ask you to leave for doing something that is not unlawful, such as carrying a firearm, they can also require you to carry ID and produce it on demand. whether it is written into law matters not. I will say that it is inappropriate for people to disguise a company policy as law, they should just say "Sorry sir, company policy."
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    Cool to having a paying hobby. I am one of those guys that is not smart enough to play poker and win however smart enough not to play. Interesting story thanks for sharing it. Good input from NV Carrier.

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    Just one more reason for me to stay away from the casinos!

    They are smoky, usually anti-gun, and now want to demand I.D. be carried everywhere. Interesting info though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    whether it is written into law matters not.
    It is if they tell me that it's the law, when it is not the law, I don't do any more business with them, and I tell whoever's in charge WHY they lost my business. There are plenty of other companies to deal with.

    Besides, I figure after everything my ex-wife (and her boyfriend) got in the divorce, I've paid enough money to people who lie to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post

    In the club I work at, we do not accept identification issued by a foreign government. People always throw a hissy fit when we tell them we do not accept Mexican, Canadian, or other drivers licenses. "Not to worry," I tell them, "The US State Department clears all passports issued by other countries, we will gladly accept it as a form of ID." and then I have to listen to them cry about how it's in their room at Hotel X, Y or Z. Then I have to go into how we can not possibly know how to identify every ID and drivers license from every country in the world, but Passports we can train our staff to verify and since you must have a passport to enter the US, we know you have one!
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    Nevada,

    I don't really understand how it would be easier to train them to recognize a passport...they are all different...which to me seems the same as a drivers ID?

    Couldn't you train them to at least recognize the most commonly seen? Just seems like you would lose some good business that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    Nevada,

    I don't really understand how it would be easier to train them to recognize a passport...they are all different...which to me seems the same as a drivers ID?

    Couldn't you train them to at least recognize the most commonly seen? Just seems like you would lose some good business that way?
    they may seem different, but if you know what your looking for, they are more similar than you might think. It's all those crazy strings of numbers at the bottom of the photo page where we look for the information and know we're going to find it there no matter where the passport was issued.

    Many ID's we see that are issued by other countries are not written in English and change the order of the digits in Dates of birth. The Date of Birth is encoded in the same format at the bottom of the passport photo page no matter which country issued the passport. we know exactly where on the ID to find it, how to read it, and it's the same weather they come from China, Lebanon, Israel, Mexico, UK, Canada or Mexico, etc.

    As a dealer I have permission to green light a US drivers license, US Military ID, or passports. If they show me Canada or Mexico, I raise my hand and my supervisor can usually green light those drivers licenses. but if they have an ID that's not written in English and is not a passport, no dice! Would I love to make an exception just for them? sure, but no amount of lost business is worth the MY gaming license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    they may seem different, but if you know what your looking for, they are more similar than you might think. It's all those crazy strings of numbers at the bottom of the photo page where we look for the information and know we're going to find it there no matter where the passport was issued.

    Many ID's we see that are issued by other countries are not written in English and change the order of the digits in Dates of birth. The Date of Birth is encoded in the same format at the bottom of the passport photo page no matter which country issued the passport. we know exactly where on the ID to find it, how to read it, and it's the same weather they come from China, Lebanon, Israel, Mexico, UK, Canada or Mexico, etc.

    As a dealer I have permission to green light a US drivers license, US Military ID, or passports. If they show me Canada or Mexico, I raise my hand and my supervisor can usually green light those drivers licenses. but if they have an ID that's not written in English and is not a passport, no dice! Would I love to make an exception just for them? sure, but no amount of lost business is worth the MY gaming license.
    Interesting. I wouldn't risk my career over something like that either.

    I can completely understand the policies requiring that a person carry ID in a casino. I don't understand claiming it to be a law - but as a policy it makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    I can completely understand the policies requiring that a person carry ID in a casino. I don't understand claiming it to be a law - but as a policy it makes sense to me.
    Even in non gaming areas? bowling alley? movie theatre? food court? I'm not picking on you personally, but I think we have the right to privacy and having security bully people and intimidate them with a lie that they're doing something illegal just sounds wrong to me.

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    That's funny, I have flow around the world may times now and the #1 is still the # 1 in any language.

    Although I do understand why the casinos need someone to have ID so THEY don't break any laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBJCaptain View Post
    That's funny, I have flow around the world may times now and the #1 is still the # 1 in any language.

    Although I do understand why the casinos need someone to have ID so THEY don't break any laws.
    That's the reason I feel it makes sense. They have to protect their backside.

    I don't believe a person should be harassed, or bullied at all. That's not the impression I was trying to make in saying that I can understand it as a company policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBJCaptain View Post
    That's funny, I have flow around the world may times now and the #1 is still the # 1 in any language.

    Although I do understand why the casinos need someone to have ID so THEY don't break any laws.
    If by that you mean, "How can they Not understand when a person was born by the numbers in their birth date?"

    Then I must ask, What about a passport that says "2008年 1月 12日" what month is that, Janruary or December?

    What about a passport that says "1975년 12월 1일"?

    What about "1947 ஆம் ஆண்டு ஆகஸ்ட் 12 ஆம் நாள்.?

    What about a person born "05.07.2003"? If it's a European passport then it's much more likely (approaching 100% actually) to mean the 5th of July rather than the 7th of May.


    Thanks to passports, that problem is eliminated and the process is standardized. But not every visitor carries their passport 24/7 (or is that 7.24?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    If by that you mean, "How can they Not understand when a person was born by the numbers in their birth date?"

    Then I must ask, What about a passport that says "2008年 1月 12日" what month is that, Janruary or December?

    What about a passport that says "1975년 12월 1일"?

    What about "1947 ஆம் ஆண்டு ஆகஸ்ட் 12 ஆம் நாள்.?

    What about a person born "05.07.2003"? If it's a European passport then it's much more likely (approaching 100% actually) to mean the 5th of July rather than the 7th of May.


    Thanks to passports, that problem is eliminated and the process is standardized. But not every visitor carries their passport 24/7 (or is that 7.24?)
    The birth date on a passport is encoded exactly the same way in the string of numbers at the bottom of the photo page. The birth date always follows the nationality, in this example, you can see that their date of birth is in the format YYMMDD following the "USA," in the case the sample says they were born September 16, 1956. they are all the same order no matter which nation issued it! So even if a French passport puts the information in a different order above, the machine readable is standardized across every passport in the world.

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    Thanks for clearing up that whole "Thanks to passports, that problem is eliminated and the process is standardized. But not every visitor carries their passport 24/7 (or is that 7.24?)" thing.

    As I said, not every visitor carries their passport 24/7, I know I didn't carry mine 24/7 whilst traveling and as a matter of fact it is/was recommended Not to carry it because of the risk of theft or loss.







    The years are easy but what if it's a 20-year old on the cusp of maturity?


    The good news is:
    Every country on the earth (with the exception of the U.S., Canada, and a few others) uses either "Big endian" YYMMDD, or "Little endian" DDMMYY. As usual, the U.S. has to do things a bit differently.
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    Sorry if it read as if I was disagreeing with you, on the contrary, I was expanding on what you said to show what you meant when you said "Thanks to passports, that problem is eliminated and the process is standardized."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    Sorry if it read as if I was disagreeing with you, on the contrary, I was expanding on what you said to show what you meant when you said "Thanks to passports, that problem is eliminated and the process is standardized."
    The fault is all mine, I was in a foul mood earlier. My apologies, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    The fault is all mine, I was in a foul mood earlier. My apologies, please.
    I'm already over it. :P

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