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    I was the MWAG in Walmart!!!

    So I have carried into Walmart more times than I can count, all the late night cashiers know me and know that I am one of the good guys. Stopped and talked to a couple employees that had questions about OC and went on my shopping way like many other Walmart nights. Then it happened, a Genesee county officer came down my lane, I knew him so it was more of a casual talk than a stop, he did ask to see my cpl which I technically had to disclose since I had my BUG, he asked me to conceal to prevent further problems, he said something to the effect of it was going to keep happening to which I said I had been doing this for years and this was the first LEO encounter I had ever had in Walmart. when walking to the checkout me and my woman noticed the Leo talking to 3 other officers, another one who I knew as well.

    My favorite lady cashier was working and waved me over to her lane, she whispered to me "did you know they are here for you, if they would have asked I would have let know you're not a threat?! then all the employees that know me came out of the woodwork to talk about the MWAG!!!! LOL

    Wish I would have had my recorder but I went over a year without any sort of negative interaction I never thought I would get to use it. Lesson learned

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    Last edited by Hockey9019; 02-26-2011 at 03:11 AM.

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    Conceal so they don't have to do their job?The citizens continue to need education on OC and I think LEO's should educate them so they can do more important things with their time.Problem solved!Get on it LEA's!
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    This is one of the reasons I've considered not carrying a concealed BUG. I don't want to be obligated to provide information because of it.
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    Why were you shopping at Walmart? Don't you know they fund our enemies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    This is one of the reasons I've considered not carrying a concealed BUG. I don't want to be obligated to provide information because of it.
    Isn't that just another way of not carrying as you see fit, because of a law, er, infringement?

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    Who called the law, was it a customer or employee/management?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    Who called the law, was it a customer or employee/management?
    Customer went to some employee manager of some sort. Apparently "multiple" customers went and complained

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaneggs View Post
    Conceal so they don't have to do their job?
    LMAO. Anyway, since when does their job consist of being Walmart's private security? It's not like they were called for an actual crime-in-progress...

    Waste of precious taxpayer funds if you ask me.

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    Multiple customers, riiiight, at the most, it might be an inquiry, probably not even a complaint by people who were already together. ie, a mother and 6 month old would serve their multiple claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey9019 View Post
    Customer went to some employee manager of some sort. Apparently "multiple" customers went and complained

    I was just wondering because I thought walmart had a "whatever is legal in the state" type policy. I wonder if that changed that policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    I was just wondering because I thought walmart had a "whatever is legal in the state" type policy. I wonder if that changed that policy?
    Problem is that any manager can make a determination at that time and place, even ask you to leave -he/she is in charge. The manager could be subject to any level of punishment after the fact, if they truly violated a policy, but you will never win that argument at that time.
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    And that's why I love Idaho. I haven't had a single issue and I've carried openly every time I've taken a trip to Walmart since July 2010. (that's a LOT of trips, trust me)

    However, while the store policy is what "state's allow", if you are creating a big disturbance, they do reserve the right to ask you to leave.

    If they do ask you to leave, ask for a manager, if that manager does so also get their information and ask for information on the regional manager. Usually the regional manager is the one that will slap someone else down for causing a stink, at least that's what happened here with a few rare trainees who didn't seem to realize they moved to a free state.

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    I also rarely carry concealed simply because of 28.425f

    forced disclosure and the requirement to provide your papers on demand are very unattractive to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicdevery View Post
    I knew him so it was more of a casual talk than a stop..... another one who I knew as well.
    Just wondering who was it? I also know many of the GCSD dep. from working with them. Also, my home town is Clio. Guessing this was the Clio Walmart? Many of the GCSD Medics I have talked with and asked about any interactions with OCer's. None have had any "bad" encounters. But a few say "you are just going to get hassled". Still kinda wondering why GC911 just didn't tell the caller its legal.

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    Why I carry a "bug"....hmmm. Tried to start my pickup last week when I got home and it wouldn't start. It is after all a machine and machines do let us down occasionally. I have yet to date had a problem from any guns I carry but on that frightful day I need to pull it and it goes "CLICK" well, that is the loudest sound you'll ever hear. And not having a "bug" it could be the last sound you hear.....just saying
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    can you return there OC??? that wasn't in the story that i saw. did anybody from walmart management say anything or just the deputy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken243 View Post
    Just wondering who was it? I also know many of the GCSD dep. from working with them. Also, my home town is Clio. Guessing this was the Clio Walmart? Many of the GCSD Medics I have talked with and asked about any interactions with OCer's. None have had any "bad" encounters. But a few say "you are just going to get hassled". Still kinda wondering why GC911 just didn't tell the caller its legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    can you return there OC??? that wasn't in the story that i saw. did anybody from walmart management say anything or just the deputy?
    I've OC at the Clio Walmart MANY times. Day and middle of the night. NEVER no problems. I'm going to guess it was just a very isolated incident

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    Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
    can you return there OC??? that wasn't in the story that i saw. did anybody from walmart management say anything or just the deputy?
    They did not ask me to leave, only LEO talked to me. He said I was scaring everybody, he said jokingly, he was real cool about everything, since he asked if I was carrying a gun I didn't "immediately disclose" I was carrying my BUG, he asked to see my cpl so I showed him. After telling him this was my first instance in two years I think he got that I had no intention of concealing he left saying. "Well, you know the law..." I will OC there until asked to otherwise by management. And again, EVERYONE that works at Walmart knows me, so if buying shampoo and face wash is a suspicious activity and reason for law enforcement to be present I guess I have some more educating to do.

    I will respond a little more later. Have to get to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Problem is that any manager can make a determination at that time and place, even ask you to leave -he/she is in charge. The manager could be subject to any level of punishment after the fact, if they truly violated a policy, but you will never win that argument at that time.
    I have been told by the store manager, regional manager, and a person at corporate that I may not carry a firearm in my local Walmart. I contacted everyone I could think of but at this point, I think that they are THE WORST PLACE when it comes to firearms as they operate under a general policy of dishonesty. Also, they are the ONLY corporate partner of "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" see http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....tnership.shtml
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    Wink this is just funny to me...

    for cripes sake, walmart sells ammo! do they think they are selling 9mm rounds to people who don't have guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    I have been told by the store manager, regional manager, and a person at corporate that I may not carry a firearm in my local Walmart. I contacted everyone I could think of but at this point, I think that they are THE WORST PLACE when it comes to firearms as they operate under a general policy of dishonesty. Also, they are the ONLY corporate partner of "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" see http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....tnership.shtml
    OC, CC or neither? I've not been fully OCing at Kenowa & Cascade, but I'm certainly not concealing either. I've had discussions with the Automotive Service Mgr, some sales associates about OC with the combat Tupperware, the snout of the 96 or the gaping maw of a 1911 visible with no problems. No cashier has freaked when I reach for my wallet, which necessitates exposing the hardware neatly tucked in at 3:00. Guess that recorder I bought there may come in handy....
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGKzoo View Post
    for cripes sake, walmart sells ammo! do they think they are selling 9mm rounds to people who don't have guns?
    That's because they don't mind taking your money. If you want cheap bullets, reload.

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