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    Parking lot carry @ city hall, police station?

    Can you leave a gun in the car at city hall or by the police station? say if you have to go to the court house to get a CHP, No carrying inside its federal. But in the parking lot is it legal? Is it federal grounds or city grounds?

    Also what about police station? it's city?
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Can you leave a gun in the car at city hall or by the police station? YES, LEGAL. say if you have to go to the court house to get a CHP Parking lot yes, building, NO!, No carrying inside its federal. But in the parking lot is it legal? YES, LEGAL. Is it federal grounds or city grounds? Depends on Federal Grounds, is it a secured parking lot and posted?

    Also what about police station? it's city? YES. LEGAL as long as you do not enter a jail facility.
    I hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODA 226 View Post
    I hope this helps!


    Originally Posted by ocholsteroc
    Can you leave a gun in the car at city hall or by the police station? YES, LEGAL. say if you have to go to the court house to get a CHP Parking lot yes, building, NO!, No carrying inside its federal. But in the parking lot is it legal? YES, LEGAL. Is it federal grounds or city grounds? Depends on Federal Grounds, is it a secured parking lot and posted?

    Also what about police station? it's city? YES. LEGAL as long as you do not enter a jail facility.
    No secured parking lot, it just says a big long list to NO to all these items NOT allowed in the court house.

    I know preemption applys to the police station, why did I ask.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 07:55 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    nvm.... you said it,
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Can you leave a gun in the car
    Yeah if you want your windows busted out and have it stolen
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Yeah if you want your windows busted out and have it stolen
    I have a box bolted in the trunk.

    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 08:33 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Can you leave a gun in the car at city hall or by the police station? say if you have to go to the court house to get a CHP, No carrying inside its federal. But in the parking lot is it legal? Is it federal grounds or city grounds?

    Also what about police station? it's city?
    You may also want to read here: http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...Concealed.shtm and scroll down to Where Unlawful to Carry
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    You may also want to read here: http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...Concealed.shtm and scroll down to Where Unlawful to Carry
    So is it legal to carry in a police station?

    I am sceptical on that.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 08:50 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    So is it legal to carry in a police station?
    Yes, it's legal.. and why not? Note my big yellow VISITOR badge in the police staton.


    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Yes, it's legal.. and why not? Note my big yellow VISITOR badge in the police staton.
    I do not know...


    ??

    Thats part of the city so preemption does apply.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 08:59 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I do not know... ??
    Well you edited your post I was responding to.

    You said: i would not carry in a police station.
    I said: Why not? and showed you that I do.
    You said: I don't know. (You are basically saying you don't know why YOU don't carry in a police station)

    It might be that you are new to Open Carry or are not comfortable carrying or uncomfortable interacting with LEO's, etc. You need to come to a few dinners and talk to other folks that can help you break thru some of those barriers. :-)
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Well you edited your post I was responding to.

    You said: i would not carry in a police station.
    I said: Why not? and showed you that I do.
    You said: I don't know. (You are basically saying you don't know why YOU don't carry in a police station)

    It might be that you are new to Open Carry or are not comfortable carrying or uncomfortable interacting with LEO's, etc. You need to come to a few dinners and talk to other folks that can help you break thru some of those barriers. :-)
    I been to quite a few dinners :-)
    I am just nervous of some law suit or something. I carry my tape recorder. But I do know. The court house is just right across the street. The jail is next to the police station.
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 09:06 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I been to quite a few dinners :-)
    I am just nervous of some law suit or something. I carry my tape recorder. But I do know. The court house is just right across the street. The jail is next to the police station.
    Don't carry where you are not comfortable. I can't help you with that. I can tell you where I carry and where I believe it to be legal (this is not legal advice).
    I can't carry in a courthouse (violation of law)
    I don't go into jails.
    I go into the police station now and then (and I carry).
    I don't carry TAPE recorders as they are not reliable and burn batteries. I carry a digital recorder ON and RUNNING when the firearm is ON so is the RECORDER.
    Carry On.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    Don't carry where you are not comfortable. I can't help you with that. I can tell you where I carry and where I believe it to be legal (this is not legal advice).
    I can't carry in a courthouse (violation of law)
    I don't go into jails.
    I go into the police station now and then (and I carry).
    I don't carry TAPE recorders as they are not reliable and burn batteries. I carry a digital recorder ON and RUNNING when the firearm is ON so is the RECORDER.
    I have never carryed at a police station.

    I know I am fine with preemption, but I just feel like cops are going swarm me and i'll have a law suit..

    )
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    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I just feel like cops are going swarm me and i'll have a law suit..
    1. then don't do it.
    or
    2. do it and if they swarm you, sue the crap outta them
    Carry On.

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    § 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.

    A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.

    Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.

    The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency,but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.


    2. do it and if they swarm you, sue the crap outta them
    So true
    Last edited by ocholsteroc; 02-27-2011 at 09:22 PM.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    WARNING:

    DO NOT CARRY ANY AMMUNITION INTO A COURTHOUSE.

    The Code of VA treats ammo the same as a firearm when it comes to courthouses.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-283.1

    § 18.2-283.1. Carrying weapon into courthouse.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to possess in or transport into any courthouse in this Commonwealth any (i) gun or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile or projectile of any kind, (ii) frame, receiver, muffler, silencer, missile, projectile or ammunition designed for use with a dangerous weapon and (iii) any other dangerous weapon, including explosives, stun weapons as defined in § 18.2-308.1, and those weapons specified in subsection A of § 18.2-308. Any such weapon shall be subject to seizure by a law-enforcement officer. A violation of this section is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    The provisions of this section shall not apply to any police officer, sheriff, law-enforcement agent or official, conservation police officer, conservator of the peace, magistrate, court officer, or judge while in the conduct of such person's official duties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I have never carryed at a police station.

    I know I am fine with preemption, but I just feel like cops are going swarm me and i'll have a law suit..

    )
    We hold VCDL meetings in the Mason District governmental center, which houses the Mason District police station.

    I carry whenever I must go to the Mt Vernon District government center, which houses the Mt vernon district police station.

    No issues, and perfectly legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    I have never carryed at a police station.

    I know I am fine with preemption, but I just feel like cops are going swarm me and i'll have a law suit..

    )
    Have been in the VSP headquarters and numerous local PD precinct stations OCing.

    Just today I was in the Chesterfield PD Hdqtrs, their new training building and the Emergency Communications Bldg. A few were seen looking, but none with any overt concern - mostly curiosity as I not what they are used to seeing. Oh and I was unescorted.
    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time.

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    Have OC'd and CC'd at the Sheriff's Office a few times, never a problem. When I CC'd, I notified the deputy I was visiting that I was carrying and then waitied for their response before going anywhere beyond the front lobby. Always a very professional department. I can't say enough about the Pride, Professionalism and Expertise this department continues to show on a daily basis. Sheriff Diggs runs one amazing department.

    When I went to the courthouse to get my CHP, I had a de-milled .30 cal rifle round on my keychain. I never gave it a second thought, but the Deputy at the metal detector had ZERO sense of humor about my keychain. I showed him the 3 holes drilled in the base as well as the missing primer pocket, but he would "have none of that" and had me leave my keys with him at the checkpoint. They ARE very serious about the 'not having any ammo' in the courthouse, too. Even a DEMILLED bullet is cause for concern. Don't even bring a piece of empty brass.

    I hear you go to JAIL in Mexico for a single piece of spent brass in your car. I wouldn't want to find out if that's an Urban Legend or real life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    I hear you go to JAIL in Mexico for a single piece of spent brass in your car. I wouldn't want to find out if that's an Urban Legend or real life...
    Do not bring any ammunition or even one empty cartridge into Mexico. ...... Federal prison sentences are handed out quickly, with zero tolerance, with no possibility of release on bail or bond, and with very little legal recourse to the accused for the breaking of this Mexican anti-weapons law.

    Note also the
    U.S. Department of State official Warning

    http://mexicanmissions.com/mexico/travel/warning.htm
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    If i were to drive to Mexico, I'd have to rent a car. I think every car I've ever owned has empty brass under the seats and everywhere else your fingers can't reach. Sorry, I've gone way off topic here...
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    If i were to drive to Mexico, I'd have to rent a car. I think every car I've ever owned has empty brass under the seats and everywhere else your fingers can't reach. Sorry, I've gone way off topic here...
    To bring it back with relevance - don't carry in a Mexican police station, but OK to legally do so in Virginia.
    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    So is it legal to carry in a police station?

    I am sceptical on that.
    In VA Bch u can carry in the police station, unless it has recently changed. there is a sign outside that says they prefer u would'nt and to lock it in ur car. If ur on a motorcycle and can't for example. Just check in at the front desk and let them know ur carrying. In the courthouse, no no, not even cell phones.

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    We aren't charged by the letter here. Feel free to use words like 'you', 'you're' and 'your'. You may even impress someone if you could spell the whole name of your city.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

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    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

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