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    GRNC Alert 3-1-11: Restaurants, Cars & Parks Bills; HB 63 & HB 111

    Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10665, Raleigh, NC 27605
    919-664-8565, www.grnc.org, GRNC Alert Hotline: (919) 562-4137

    GRNC Alert 3-1-11:
    Restaurants, Cars & Parks Bills; HB 63 & HB 111

    The long awaited bills permitting carry in restaurants, cars and parks are now in Subcommittee A of the House Judiciary Committee. Contact the members listed below and tell them to support HB 63, Firearm in Locked Motor Vehicle/Parking Lot, and HB 111, Handgun Permit Valid in Parks & Restaurants.
    IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

    Contact the members of House Judiciary Subcommittee A and deliver this message or one of your own:
    Dear Rep.:
    I urge you to place your support behind, HB 63, Firearm in Locked Motor Vehicle/Parking Lot, and HB 111, Handgun Permit Valid in Parks & Restaurants. These worthy bills will allow honest voters to protect themselves from criminals.
    I will be following the progress of these bills through Grass Roots North Carolina.
    Respectfully,
    A Concerned North Carolina Voter
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    John.Blust@ncleg.net, Martha.Alexander@ncleg.net, Hugh.Blackwell@ncleg.net, Jim.Crawford@ncleg.net, Leo.Daughtry@ncleg.net, Bill.Faison@ncleg.net, Larry.Hall@ncleg.net, Julia.Howard@ncleg.net, Darren.Jackson@ncleg.net, Ric.Killian@ncleg.net, Chuck.McGrady@ncleg.net, Grey.Mills@ncleg.net, Shirley.Randleman@ncleg.net, Deborah.Ross@ncleg.net
    John M. Blust
    919-733-5781
    John.Blust@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1229
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Martha B. Alexander
    919-733-5807
    Martha.Alexander@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1213
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Hugh Blackwell
    919-733-5805
    Hugh.Blackwell@ncleg.net
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 541
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925

    James W. Crawford, Jr.
    919-733-5824
    Jim.Crawford@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1321
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    N. Leo Daughtry
    919-733-5605
    Leo.Daughtry@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 2207
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Bill Faison
    919-715-3019
    Bill.Faison@ncleg.net
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 405
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925

    Larry D. Hall
    919-733-5872
    Larry.Hall@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1015
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Julia C. Howard
    919-733-5904
    Julia.Howard@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1106
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Darren G. Jackson
    919-733-5974
    Darren.Jackson@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1019
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Ric Killian
    919-733-5886
    Ric.Killian@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 2219
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Chuck McGrady
    919-733-5956
    Chuck.McGrady@ncleg.net
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 418A
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925

    Grey Mills
    919-733-5741
    Grey.Mills@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 2221
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096

    Shirley B. Randleman
    919-733-5935
    Shirley.Randleman@ncleg.net
    300 N. Salisbury Street, Room 531
    Raleigh, NC 27603-5925

    Deborah K. Ross
    919-733-5773
    Deborah.Ross@ncleg.net
    16 W. Jones Street, Room 1023
    Raleigh, NC 27601-1096
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    http://www.grnc.org/contact_reps.htm

    You may write your FEDERAL congressman by going here:
    http://www.house.gov/writerep/

    You may write your FEDERAL senators by going here:
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    Duncan Gun & Pawn, 414 Second St., North Wilkesboro, NC 28659, 336-667-6303, www.duncangun.com
    Shooter's Express, 2 Caldwell Dr., Belmont, NC 28012, 800-358-GUNS, www.shootersexpress.com
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    is this the bill that will let people carry in restaurants serving alcohol?

    if so, why is it limited to just people with a CHP? If thats the case, then users like mattwestm can't carry if we decide to go to a restaurant that serves alcohol.

    Pressure the state senators and reps to allow anyone to carry in any mode at any time in any restaurant
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    Yeah, I'm for a straight repeal of that statute as well. If passed, this will be the first state law that will allow CHP holders to carry somewhere other citizens can't.
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    This is a committee meeting. This is where you start putting the pressure on. The alert has all the contact info for the members of the committee.

    Tell them what you want.

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    I plan on it. I'm sure the intentions were good, but it really leaves people without a CHP in the dust in it's current form- something I cannot support. In it's current form, this bill will not allow for honest voters to protect themselves from criminals, as the suggested message to Representatives indicates. Instead, it only allows for honest voters that happen to hold a Concealed Handgun Permit to protect themselves from criminals. It's an important distinction, and one I feel should have already been fixed by now.

    I intend to bug my district's elected officials until such time as it is amended to include those without a CHP.
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    Just sent an email to all the reps listed. Why bug one, when you can bug them all
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    heh...I noticed that my Rep is not in that subcommittee so bugging her would probably fall on deaf ears at this time. I'll hit the rest of them up tomorrow about this. I'm seriously confused as to how this important distinction hasn't been rectified yet.

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    I wonder how Ross is going to vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elixin77 View Post
    Just sent an email to all the reps listed. Why bug one, when you can bug them all
    more fun that way. I do us bcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    I plan on it. I'm sure the intentions were good, but it really leaves people without a CHP in the dust in it's current form- something I cannot support. In it's current form, this bill will not allow for honest voters to protect themselves from criminals, as the suggested message to Representatives indicates. Instead, it only allows for honest voters that happen to hold a Concealed Handgun Permit to protect themselves from criminals. It's an important distinction, and one I feel should have already been fixed by now.

    I intend to bug my district's elected officials until such time as it is amended to include those without a CHP.
    I can tell you it was not intentional. While this was being discussed it never occurred to any of us there was a difference between OC and CC.

    Who is your rep? Diane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    I can tell you it was not intentional. While this was being discussed it never occurred to any of us there was a difference between OC and CC.

    Who is your rep? Diane?
    Per this law, OC or CC wouldnt matter... BUT you would have to have a permit to do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mekender View Post
    Per this law, OC or CC wouldnt matter... BUT you would have to have a permit to do either.
    which is what I distinguished in the email I sent out to everyone. Basically told them that this would be the first law on the books that would prohibit a form of carry based on permit - hopefully they'll change it before it leaves committee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    I can tell you it was not intentional. While this was being discussed it never occurred to any of us there was a difference between OC and CC.

    Who is your rep? Diane?
    Yessir, it's Diane.

    I know it wasn't intentional, and I'm sure these things are sometimes written with these kinds of oversights in them all the time, whether it pertains to gun legislation or any other subject. I really don't believe for a second that the people who drafted this purposely intended to include CHP holders and intentionally leave out those without permits. Sometimes things just....happen.

    The important part is that this was pointed out weeks ago and still there hasn't been a change to fix it. Now the bill is in committee and it's a good time to bring the issue up again before it passes this next step. The further along a bill goes, the harder it is to change it, it seems. I just don't want it going too far before the change happens.

    This is something that, if left in it's current language, could possibly pass into law one day and that would be a great disservice to a large portion of the state's gun ownership body. It would either force some people into getting permits they don't want, or it would exclude them the right to defend themselves in certain circumstances where others could, simply because an oversight was allowed remain. You can bet that, if passed into law, LEOs would have no heartburn in pointing out the distinction between CHP holders and OC when it comes to writing tickets while enforcing the law as written. Giving LEOs that kind of ammo would be tragic.

    Now is our chance to fix it. I feel it would be a stronger bill that could then move forward with the backing of not only CHP holders, but all gun owners as well.

    I'm off tomorrow so I plan on sending out emails to the members of the committee and calling Rep Parfitt's office to make sure that they are aware of the oversight and to see what they can do to fix it. I'm confident that the folks within GRNC will also do what they can to fix this early on in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    Yessir, it's Diane.

    I know it wasn't intentional, and I'm sure these things are sometimes written with these kinds of oversights in them all the time, whether it pertains to gun legislation or any other subject. I really don't believe for a second that the people who drafted this purposely intended to include CHP holders and intentionally leave out those without permits. Sometimes things just....happen.

    The important part is that this was pointed out weeks ago and still there hasn't been a change to fix it. Now the bill is in committee and it's a good time to bring the issue up again before it passes this next step. The further along a bill goes, the harder it is to change it, it seems. I just don't want it going too far before the change happens.

    This is something that, if left in it's current language, could possibly pass into law one day and that would be a great disservice to a large portion of the state's gun ownership body. It would either force some people into getting permits they don't want, or it would exclude them the right to defend themselves in certain circumstances where others could, simply because an oversight was allowed remain. You can bet that, if passed into law, LEOs would have no heartburn in pointing out the distinction between CHP holders and OC when it comes to writing tickets while enforcing the law as written. Giving LEOs that kind of ammo would be tragic.

    Now is our chance to fix it. I feel it would be a stronger bill that could then move forward with the backing of not only CHP holders, but all gun owners as well.

    I'm off tomorrow so I plan on sending out emails to the members of the committee and calling Rep Parfitt's office to make sure that they are aware of the oversight and to see what they can do to fix it. I'm confident that the folks within GRNC will also do what they can to fix this early on in the process.
    The person that needs to be contacted is Mark Hilton. It is his bill. He has some say in the bill being changed. Thing to do is call his office and talk with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    The person that needs to be contacted is Mark Hilton. It is his bill. He has some say in the bill being changed. Thing to do is call his office and talk with him.
    Alrighty, thanks a bunch. I'll call his office in the morning and see where it goes.

    Thanks again.

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    Here's what I sent to Mark Hilton <Mark.Hilton@ncleg.net>. I'll be calling his office shortly.

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    Rep. Hilton, I'm pleased to see the introduction of HB 111 which would restore the right of law-abiding gun owners to carry their firearms in parks and restaurants. However, I'm concerned that the language of the bill only restores this right to those possessing concealed carry permits.

    There are many gun owners who choose not to apply for concealed carry permits, but instead carry their firearms openly (which is legal in NC). By tailoring the bill for CCP holders, you are excluding firearm owners who don't have a CCP and are essentially creating a "special class" of citizen.

    I urge you to change the language of the bill to include ALL firearm owners, regardless of whether they have a CCP or not. Even better would be a simple repeal of 14‑269.3 which prohibits carrying weapons in an establishment where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

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    That's pretty much what I sent as well.

    We'll just see where it goes. If it turns out that they move forward as written then it's better than nothing I reckon. I'll support it either way. I just wanted to try and fix it now, that's all

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    That's pretty much what I sent as well.

    We'll just see where it goes. If it turns out that they move forward as written then it's better than nothing I reckon. I'll support it either way. I just wanted to try and fix it now, that's all
    Good luck (not said sarcastically)

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    I did receive some emails in response to my concerns.

    Although I am one of the more vocal people who wanted to see all gun owners included, I do understand the process and why some of these decisions are made. It's all good.

    If indeed the bill moves forward as written, I will support it. I feel my concerns have been sufficiently addressed by those that are in positions to make the changes. I understand their concerns as well.

    Let's move forward and help get this passed.

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    It's a tough issue. It diminished the OC-friendliness of the state and like you say, creates a "special class."

    I'd have a REAL hard time saying that I'd rather the bill just disappear though... and I know almost *nothing* of the realities of lobbying that GRNC has been dealing with for years. I can imagine it sucks though. I'm not in politics for a reason.

    WHY can't things be more black and white???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    It's a tough issue. It diminished the OC-friendliness of the state and like you say, creates a "special class."

    I'd have a REAL hard time saying that I'd rather the bill just disappear though... and I know almost *nothing* of the realities of lobbying that GRNC has been dealing with for years. I can imagine it sucks though. I'm not in politics for a reason.

    WHY can't things be more black and white???
    Because some Congressional Caucus would cry foul for having a separation of black and white lol. Things must be gray so that no one is offended

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    HB 111 is being heard in the House Judiciary A Committee tomorrow. There will be an opportunity for public comment.

    NCGV is asking their members to email the committee in opposition to the bill. Let's counter by sending our own emails in support of HB 111. Phone calls are even better.

    Here's what NCGV sent out just a little while ago:

    HB 111 allowing concealed handguns in restaurants and parks will be heard tomorrow in the House Judiciary A Committee. If you oppose loaded, concealed guns in family restaurants and neighborhood parks, use this link to send a message to the the Judiciary Committee TODAY.

    http://org2.democracyinaction.org/di...ATaElI8Dh108AU

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockaholic View Post
    HB 111 is being heard in the House Judiciary A Committee tomorrow. There will be an opportunity for public comment.

    NCGV is asking their members to email the committee in opposition to the bill. Let's counter by sending our own emails in support of HB 111. Phone calls are even better.

    Here's what NCGV sent out just a little while ago:
    I decided to use their mass email system to do my dirty work. Went to their site, changed the subject to Support (instead of Oppose) and then reworded the letter to:
    Dear Representative,

    I am writing you today to ask you to protect my family by supporting House Bill 111. This bill would allow guns in family restaurants and concealed weapons into neighborhood parks, restoring 2nd amendment rights of law-abiding voting citizens.

    NC is one of a small minority of states that limits a citizens ability to self defense while eating out at a majority of restaurants.

    Now is the time to improve our existing conceal carry permitting system to make North Carolina a safer place.

    I am looking to you to help allow me to protect my family from criminals by supporting this bill.

    Please support HB 111.

    Sincerely,


    Ha ha to them! Here is hoping their mass email program doesn't send out the preformatted letter when they allow you to personalize it to your liking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDFIVE48 View Post
    I decided to use their mass email system to do my dirty work. Went to their site, changed the subject to Support (instead of Oppose) and then reworded the letter to:
    Dear Representative,

    I am writing you today to ask you to protect my family by supporting House Bill 111. This bill would allow guns in family restaurants and concealed weapons into neighborhood parks, restoring 2nd amendment rights of law-abiding voting citizens.

    NC is one of a small minority of states that limits a citizens ability to self defense while eating out at a majority of restaurants.

    Now is the time to improve our existing conceal carry permitting system to make North Carolina a safer place.

    I am looking to you to help allow me to protect my family from criminals by supporting this bill.

    Please support HB 111.

    Sincerely,


    Ha ha to them! Here is hoping their mass email program doesn't send out the preformatted letter when they allow you to personalize it to your liking.
    wonder how long before they catch on?

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    wonder how long before they catch on?
    Not sure, but I got an auto response from one rep, and it had the changed Subject of Re: Please Support HB 111

    HA HA HA HA HA

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