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    ABC News 28 - Florida Carry's Rob Allen says open carry is about the right to choose

    http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/new...a-universities with video

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    Dawn Sanchez, spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, also does not want the law enacted. She believes open carry in Florida would lead to more violence, an increase in fear and negatively impact tourism.
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    Robb Allen, though, disagrees. He is a board member for FloridaCarry.org and supports open carry. He believes allowing people to carry weapons openly in Florida would not lead to more violence, and would also give gun owners the freedom outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

    “The second amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. And, in a free society, men and women get to choose how they wish to bear them,” Allen said.
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    Thanks "Law Enforcement Officials"

    This bill would undoubtedly pass if law enforcement would keep their mouth shut. University police do nothing except write tickets and occasionally bust kids for smoking george washington's toothe ache medicine or underage drinking. Will they be there when a crime is being committed? No. Can they be everywhere at the same time? No. I'm sick of these "officials" agitating for more tyranny, and I'm sick and tired of neocon legislators giving hear to these "officials". Screw them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    This bill would undoubtedly pass if law enforcement would keep their mouth shut. University police do nothing except write tickets and occasionally bust kids for smoking george washington's toothe ache medicine or underage drinking. Will they be there when a crime is being committed? No. Can they be everywhere at the same time? No. I'm sick of these "officials" agitating for more tyranny, and I'm sick and tired of neocon legislators giving hear to these "officials". Screw them.
    This is something I don't understand. From the perspective of our representatives, do officer votes count as 3 civilian votes?

    While I understand for the most part that these negative LEO "opinions" come from the brass, they can't possible outnumber the vocal OC side.

    We all vote too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigmalg View Post
    This is something I don't understand. From the perspective of our representatives, do officer votes count as 3 civilian votes?

    While I understand for the most part that these negative LEO "opinions" come from the brass, they can't possible outnumber the vocal OC side.

    We all vote too.
    Many of the legislators have a "law enforcement" fetish. If you wear a state issued uniform you are automatically more competent, smarter, more moral, etc.

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    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/33926

    Here is a good summary about why our "law enforcement official" overlords are against campus and open carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    I'm sick of these "officials" agitating for more tyranny, and I'm sick and tired of neocon legislators giving hear to these "officials". Screw them.
    I was sick of it 15 years ago. My tolerance for subjugation is far less than the rest of the population, it would seem.

    Being 'official' does not make one educated or respectable. Their open contempt for We The People should be the obvious disqualifier, but it's not....
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    I got a question: say the law passes, all my college would have to do is put up a sign to allow me not to carry on premises right ?

    I go to SJRSC formally known as SJRCC

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    Quote Originally Posted by quartell View Post
    I got a question: say the law passes, all my college would have to do is put up a sign to allow me not to carry on premises right ?

    I go to SJRSC formally known as SJRCC

    No. It's a public college, so they will not be able to infringe on your right to bear arms. It may be indecent and immoral for a private school to have a "no guns" policy, but that is the right of the property owners. The anti-gun policies of public institutions will be preempted by SB 234

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    I see that will be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    No. It's a public college, so they will not be able to infringe on your right to bear arms. It may be indecent and immoral for a private school to have a "no guns" policy, but that is the right of the property owners. The anti-gun policies of public institutions will be preempted by SB 234
    More specifically, there is a parallel bill, HB 45/SB 402, which will provide comprehensive preemption that will cover public colleges & universities and provide very strong enforcement mechanisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVCDL View Post
    More specifically, there is a parallell bill, HB 45/SB 402, which will provide comprehensive preemption that will cover public colleges & universities and provide very strong enforcement mechanisms.
    A VERY important bill. The 3 day waiting period is unspeakably evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    A VERY important bill. The 3 day waiting period is unspeakably evil.
    The three day waiting period will not go away, regardless of this bill. It is in the state constitution and cannot be overridden by statute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich7553 View Post
    The three day waiting period will not go away, regardless of this bill. It is in the state constitution and cannot be overridden by statute.
    More good news.

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    this is why I like indiana, I got the itch for a gun jumped in my truck went down the road bought a glock 17 and was home shooting in 2hours . This dam 3 day wait came at a surprise when I talked to a florida shop about the handgun permit

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    The three day waiting period does not apply to you if you have your ccw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas49.56 View Post
    The three day waiting period does not apply to you if you have your ccw.
    Even if you have a receipt for another firearm I don't think it applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich7553 View Post
    The three day waiting period will not go away, regardless of this bill. It is in the state constitution and cannot be overridden by statute.
    As perverted and counter-productive as it is, it only has a real effect on first-time buyers who buy from a dealer.

    I try to buy second hand person-to-person most of the time anyway. Better prices, not feeding greed/markup, helping people who need money. The more people in the 2nd-hand market, the better prices the sellers can get. These are the people who actually need and deserve the money anyhow.

    Use the advanced search feature on gunbroker to get in-state sellers only. Send the email, meet up in person. Yay!

    Florida has a lot of Bad Ideas in it's gun restrictions. We can't shore them all up/eradicate them in one pass, there will be too much neocon/liberal opposition to making a better world.

    I'm not suggesting that these things don't need to be done. I'm not saying 'we got this and screw everything else.' I'm saying if you put all the stuff the neocons/liberals hate into one will, they'll all join forces to prevent anything good from ever happening.

    One bill at a time. Let the few who object, object to the individual items so the supporters can outnumber them. Combined, they all object and it fails.
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