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    Presidental Disapointments

    Besides many of the administrations short comings on department appointees, the latest actions are really disturbing. Our president is a suck up! (Appeaser)

    FOX NEWS REPORTS..."President Obama on Thursday appeared to reject the idea of arming U.S. agents in Mexico, saying after a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon that the two governments will look at other ways to protect American officials in the wake of a fatal shooting last month.

    "There are laws in place in Mexico that say that our agents should not be armed," Obama said, describing the U.S. role south of the border as an "advisory" one. "We do not carry out law enforcement activities inside of Mexico."

    The president's statement answers speculation about how far the administration would go in reforming safety measures in response to the killing three weeks ago of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata in Mexico. The shooting death raised questions in the U.S. about Mexico's ability to control violence but U.S. officials earlier wouldn't say whether Obama would press the Mexican leader to allow U.S. agents to be armed.

    Coming out of the meeting Thursday afternoon, both presidents stressed that U.S. agents cannot be armed. Obama said he was nevertheless concerned about the safety of agents and that they would examine "procedures and protocols" for how to better protect them. "

    Thatís the official announcement. Our agents are unable to defend themselves because Obama supports Mexico's anti gun laws. If I was the president I would have said: Either our agents are armed or our support for you endeavored against the drug lords stop, and our border is closed until further notice.

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    Ya, I'm guessing there isn't a waiting list for that job...haha

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    I might be at odds with many I happen to agree we shouldn't have our civilian LEO, armed and enforcing things in another country. I would actually like to see de-militarization of much of our LEA's in this country.

    Now I am absolutely sure we have a lot of ranchers that would happily let them camp out armed on their land.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Arm the our LEOs in Mexico

    The purpose of arming our LEOs that travel to Mexico is not to enforce Mexican law or even our law, its so they can defend themselves. Hell the Mexican Army cross into america armed, why not arm our LEOs.


    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I might be at odds with many I happen to agree we shouldn't have our civilian LEO, armed and enforcing things in another country. I would actually like to see de-militarization of much of our LEA's in this country.

    Now I am absolutely sure we have a lot of ranchers that would happily let them camp out armed on their land.

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    There is no reason for us to be in Mexico. Period.

    Dissolve the Justice Dept and the AFT.

    Legalize weed.

    Seal the border.

    The end.
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    Seriously. You wanna fight drug cartels?

    Don't use our pitiful, pathetic joke of a government, which is ineffective at doing anything except wasting money and employing ever-increasing quantities of useless public "servants" to meddle in trivial daily affairs of the citizenry.

    Legalizing marijuana will hurt the cartels more than our ridiculous government could ever hope to in a million years.

    In fact, our refusal to do so makes me wonder exactly how much cartel money ends up in Washington.
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    I'm guessing 70/30 in Washington's favor. After all, they have to supply the guns and the smoke screens.

    Last edited by HandyHamlet; 03-08-2011 at 05:23 PM.
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
    Abraham Lincoln

    "Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
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    "There are laws in place in Mexico that say that our agents should not be armed," Obama said, describing the U.S. role south of the border as an "advisory" one. "We do not carry out law enforcement activities inside of Mexico."
    There should be a law in place in the US that says our agents shouldn't be in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarov View Post
    The purpose of arming our LEOs that travel to Mexico is not to enforce Mexican law or even our law, its so they can defend themselves. Hell the Mexican Army cross into america armed, why not arm our LEOs.
    Than they shouldn't be there unless it's a personal vacation, either way it's Mexico's law they shouldn't be armed if we can't be armed while there.

    Oh and I think the Mexican Army shouldn't be allowed on our side of the border either.

    Better yet get rid of Unconstitutional Drug laws and most of this border violence will disappear.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Reality

    Thatís a great point; legalizing the drugs and taxing them would clear up some of the problems but there is a lot more going on across the border than you think. Human smuggling, prostitution, money transfersÖthe list goes on. Itís all related, but separate. Heck, you hear about it in the news daily unless you live under a rock! To combat it you must cross borders and work together and if anyone had to perform operations in Mexico, even as an adviser, you still need to defend yourself. Itís your god given right!

    Sure I understand that we shouldn't be in Mexico; but thatís not reality. There are some great people assigned to law enforcement, border patrol, ICE, and the ATF. Letís not classify them as lousy government employees. Stereotyping the bunch wonít solve the problem. Sure, sometimes I'm disappointed in LEOís actions and thatís a lot, especially in Ohio, but I also know cops that feel the same way we do. I also know government employees that work their butts off protecting this country, the flag, and our butts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    There is no reason for us to be in Mexico. Period.

    Dissolve the Justice Dept and the AFT.

    Legalize weed.

    Seal the border.

    The end.
    Who's the AFT? Do you mean the BATF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    Who's the AFT? Do you mean the BATF?
    Yes.

    I can't type and I don't feel like calling them the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Bureau of Murder is short and to the point though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makarov View Post
    Thatís a great point; legalizing the drugs and taxing them would clear up some of the problems but there is a lot more going on across the border than you think. Human smuggling, prostitution, money transfersÖthe list goes on. Itís all related, but separate. Heck, you hear about it in the news daily unless you live under a rock!
    Legalized prostitution would cut back on the market for sex slavery.

    No more illicit marijuana flowing across the border means you've cut back the total illicit traffic by a huge percentage (I don't know exactly what), freeing up resources to actually focus on real crime, like human trafficking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Yes.

    I can't type and I don't feel like calling them the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Bureau of Murder is short and to the point though.
    Well, we at least agree in the high regard we hold the BATF.

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    Law or no law, If I was an agent in Mexico you can be damn sure I'd have an AR15 fully, an a side arm backup. The whole southern half of this country that borders Mexico should have a wall quarter mile high, quarter mile deep. Armed turrets trained to shoot anything that move between a quarter mile buffer zone. But when it comes to Mexico, I'm an extremist so probably a little biased on the subject.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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