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Good OC Article

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http://newbaltimore.patch.com/articles/new-baltimore-allows-guns-in-parks

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New Baltimore reversed a ban this week on firearms and ammunition in the city parks after reviewing Michigan laws, according to city officials.

"There's an open-carry law and pretty much our ordinance was not in compliance with state law," City Clerk Marcia Shinska said.

Mayor Larry Smith said the issue arose when Eastpointe-based gun rights nonprofit, Michigan Open Carry Inc., previously sought permission to march in the privately ran summertime Fishfly Festival Parade hosted by Bay-rama.

"They contacted me last year and wanted to get a spot in the parade for our festival and I just turned them down," Smith said.

The mayor, a retired police officer who teaches a CCW course outside New Baltimore, said the city then revisited its firearm ordinance. While pistols are still banned in certain places, such as courtrooms, theaters, hospitals and day cares under state law, they are permitted in city parks if they are legally obtained and carried, according to the city.

However, the new ordinance clearly states that other items, such as air guns and trapping devices are prohibited unless brought in by an authorized city employee.

Michigan Open Carry Vice President Rob Harris said he was pleased to learn the city will allow concealed weapons in the parks.

"Any time a local city reviews its ordinance to bring it in compliance with state law, it’s a good thing," Harris said.

Citing an early 1990s preemptive law as basis for open carrying, Harris said the group wants to change the public perception of gun carriers. That image would not mirror ones seen on the nightly news in crime stories.

"Our mission is to bring gun ownership out of the closet and let the citizens of Michigan see that good people also carry guns to protect their families,” he said.

The group has protested other cities that restricted access to open carrying in the past by appearing at public events with holstered guns on them. Perhaps most notably in metro Detroit, Michigan Open Carry called Royal Oak's handgun restriction at the popular Arts, Beats and Eats festival unlawful. The controversial matter ultimately ended with the city allowing concealed weapons at the Labor Day event.

Despite concerns about its repercussions, a majority of City Council officially approved the ordinance Monday night.

Police Chief Tim Wiley said the city is complying with complex Michigan handgun laws.

"There isn't any legislation in place that you can't open carry," Wiley said Tuesday. "There's no designation to say that you can't--so therefore, you can."

Wiley said regulating the updated ordinance should not be problematic because handgun carriers still need follow public safety laws, such as those requiring holster use.

"It's not: Just Welcome to the Wild, Wild West," he said.
 

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Wiley said regulating the updated ordinance should not be problematic because handgun carriers still need follow public safety laws, such as those requiring holster use.
such as those requiring holster use.
such as those requiring holster use.



Did I miss something in my CC class and all the reading I do on laws?
 
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Good article, nicely done. We need to start a List where we have been able to work with local authorities to handle these without major incidents.
 

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Good article, nicely done. We need to start a List where we have been able to work with local authorities to handle these without major incidents.

Like this? Last update 12/09. Someone can add to it.

Below are a few activities conducted by both MOC, Inc. members and non-members alike in regards to informing the general public and Law Enforcement Agencies about open carry.

MOC, Inc. was formed in March of 2009 and its By-Laws approved in May, 2009. The Non-profit organizations goals and methods are as follows.



MOC, Inc. Activities to December 11th, 2009.

The activities below have been accomplished by MOC, Inc. members and non-members alike in just a few short months. As with all organizations most of the work is accomplished by a few hard working and dedicated individuals and MOC, Inc. would like to thank all those that have helped us meet many of our goals and objectives. At each of the activities below open carry was discussed and information disseminated to the public as well as LEOs and Law makers. I will say that MOC and others have done a great deal in informing both the public and LEOs about the legality of open carry.

MOC, Inc. Corporate Accomplishments:
Created by-laws.
Formed a website.
Formed Board

MOC, Inc. Public Relations and Charitable activities:
Attended and help sponsor a charity for leader Dogs.
Conducted 2 Litter pick-ups.
Conducted 2 Food Drives for food banks.
Conducted a clothes drive
Adopted a family for Christmas (Jackson area)

Presentations.

State Capitol:
OC talk to State legislators.
Spoke in Rotunda about open carry and the Second Amendment March.
Contacted Senators Cropsey and McManus and Representatives Sheltrown and Opsommer about Open Carry Issues.
President spoke before a Michigan Senate Committee on abolishing all “gun free zones”.


Other Talks:
Oakland County Sportsman’s Club.
Fowlerville: In God We Trust MC
New Caledonia Sportsman’s Club-Freedom Shoot.
Traverse City-Sunset Park
Tawas-Freedom Fest. OC table manned for a week.
Jackson Gun Club

Media coverage:

Print:
To read many of these articles see http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/14938.html

Articles on OC in over 26 newspapers including but not limited to the:
Detroit Free Press
Oakland Press
Lansing State Journal
Flint Journal
Macomb Daily
Ann Arbor Chronicle
Jackson Citizen Patriot
Kalamazoo Gazette
Traverse City Record Eagle

President interviewed by Handguns Magazine about OC in Michigan. (Tentative issue February 2010)

Radio:
Duran Martinez’s AM Outdoors (Syndicated throughout the State of Michigan.
WMJZ-Michigan Outdoor Adventures With Jim Miller. (interviewed twice)
WTCM 580 AM: The Norm Jones Show (interviewed twice).
Saturday Afternoon Shootout: Brian Jeffs, President MOC, Inc. and Jerry Brewer Sgt at Arms MOC, Inc.-Hosts. A Bi monthly internet talk show about gun rights and personal freedoms.

TV:
Traverse City-local station.

Public gatherings to promote OC.
Since December 2007 there have been over 65 events throughout the state to spread the word about OC. To see a list and read about many of these events see http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/15478.html
Some of the larger events were:

State Capitol Lobby (1 day)
Jay’s Sporting Goods (Clare) Lobby (2 days.)
Tawas-Freedom Fest (7 days)
Bath Day’s Festival (2days)
Mud Bog-Morrice (1 day)
Coloma Rod and Gun Club Information booth (3 days.)
Coloma Peach Fest

Albion Festival of the Forks

Law Enforcement Agencies:

Send OC packet to all 83 County Sheriffs.
Contacted the MML’s LEAF about OC. See newsletter on OC here http://www.mml.org/insurance/shared/...er/2009_04.pdf

Contacted several local PD’s of which a few are listed below.
Meridian Township
Bath Township
Detroit PD
Warren PD
Lansing PD
East Lansing PD
South Haven PD
Traverse City PD
Redford PD
Grand Rapids PD
Portage PD
Kalamazoo PD
Jackson PD
St Helen
Tawas PD
Flint PD
Burton PD
Battle Creek PD
Houghton and Hancock PDs
Frankenmuth PD
Westland PD
Canton PD
Metro Parks PD
Owosso PD
Corunna PD
Oxford PD
Wyandotte PD
Morrice PD
Coloma PD
Alpena PD


Contacted several municipalities about their unlawful firearm bans. Succeeded in having several change their ordinances.

Fundraising:
2-MOC, Inc. Shooting competition
2-MOC, Inc. and SAM CPL class

Discussed OC and MOC, Inc. with several attorneys. Working on retaining a corporate attorney.

Have assisted members and non-members who have negative interactions with LEOs in regards to lawful OC.

51 Businesses in 20 counties have posted a MOC “Carry Welcome” sticker on their doors.

MOC, Inc. Purchased;
3000 OC brochures.
5 MOC Banners for events.
5 Safety first Banners for events.
Display Table and table skirt
MOC Coffee mugs and key rings (Memberships and fundraising)
“Guns Save Lives” Buttons.

Businesses Contacted:
Have contacted many corporate business to determine their firearm policies.
Convinced Save-A-Lot of Michigan to change their policy to allow CC and OC.

Pro-OC companies;

Barnes and Noble
Walmart
Cabelas
Toys-R-Us
Lowes
Home Depot
Best Buy
Bob Evans
Bass Pro Shop




Second Amendment March affiliation:

The President of MOC, Inc. is also on the Board of Directors for the March and is the Michigan Coordinator. So far with MOC, Inc. help and the help of so many of Michigan’s great gun owners he has raised over $12,000 for the March. This amount is about a third of the entire amount raised nation-wide. Being affiliated with a National organization enhances our image and provides an audience for the Open Carry community.


CARRY WELCOME BUSINESSES

Active in promoting the placing of "Carry Welcome" Stickers in Michigan businesses:


Berrien County:

The Fire Place Shoppe: 5360 Red Arrow Highway Stevensville, Michigan 49127
Burkett HVAC R-Service LLC: 5360 Red Arrow Highway Stevensville, Michigan 49127

Calhoun County:

South Side Sportsman Club: 539 Capital Avenue SW Battle Creek, Michigan 49015
Phone: 269-968-4229 Website: http://www.southsidesportsmanclub.com

Clare County:

Jay's Sporting Goods: 8800 South Clare Avenue Clare, Michigan

Clinton County:

KC's Cuts- Barber Main Street downtown Bath, Michigan
Mid-Michigan Guns and Gear: 3630 Main Street Suite D Bath, Michigan 48808
Website: http://www.mmgunsandgear.com

Eaton County:

Eaton Rapids Conservation Club: 4100 Freeman Road Eaton Rapids, Michigan
Phone: 616-663-1255


Genesee County:

Tom's Coney Cafe 512 S Dort Hwy Flint, MI 48503 (810) 767-3540
Tom’s Coney Café 6339 S Saginaw Rd Grand Blanc, MI 48439 (810) 695-2233
Capital Coney Island: 4021 Van Slyke Road, Flint, Michigan
Valley Coney Island: 5009 Miller Rd, Flint, Michigan
Williams Gun and Sight Co: 7389 Lapeer Road Davison, Michigan
Website http://www.williamsgunsight.com/

Grand Traverse County:

Professional Tool Services: 1220 Woodmere Ave Traverse City, Michigan
The Discerning Shootist: 721 Woodmere Ave Traverse City, Michigan
wsracer@hotmail.com

Jere's Barber Shop: 110 South Oak Street Traverse City, Michigan 49684-2450
Phone: 231-946-8233‎

Hampel's, Inc. Gun & Lock Store, since 1919: 710 Randolph Street Traverse City, Michigan 49684. Phone: 231-946-5485

Houghton County:

DeMar's Food Market: 901 Calumet Street Lake Linden, Michigan 49945
Phone: 906-296-7101
Quality Hardware (Ammo and hunting supplies): 200 Calumet Street Lake Linden, Michigan Phone: 906-296-9122
Pizza Hut: 1001 Memorial Road Houghton, Michigan Phone: 906-482-0978
Joey's Only Seafood and Grill: 304 Shelden Avenue Houghton, Michigan
Phone: 906-483-0500


Jackson County:

Starlite Cab Company: 1703 E. Michigan Avenue Jackson, Michigan http://www.starlitecab.com
Foote's One Stop Shop: 326 W. Michigan Avenue Jackson Michigan 49203
Schupbach's Sporting Goods: 141 West Pearl Street Jackson, Michigan
Phone: 517-782-8418 Website: http://www.schupbachs.com
Corona Smoke Shop: 305 North West Avenue Jackson, Michigan 49201
Cloverland Tattoo Company: 2108 Wildwood Avenue Jackson, Michigan
Phone: 517-
962-2364
Star Transmission & Auto Repair: 2401 Page Avenue Jackson, Michigan
Owner: Bob Phone: 517-783-1190
K-Jake Gasoline: 3465 Page Avenue Jackson, Michigan 49203
Manager: Ron Allen Phone: 517-748-9500
U-HAUL JACKSON: 1809 East Michigan Avenue Jackson, Michigan 49202
Manager: Larry Bennett Phone: 517-787-6571

Kalamazoo County:

Fourth Coast Cafe: 816 South Westnedge Ave #1 Kalamazoo, Michigan
Harding's MarketPlace: 412 Howard Street Kalamazoo, Michigan
Theo & Stacy's Restaurant: 234 W Michigan Avenue Kalamazoo, Michigan
Phone: 269-388-5025 Website: http://www.theoandstacys.com/

Kent County:

Silver Bullet Firearms: 5121 Division Avenue S, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49548
Phone: 616-249-1911 Website: http://www.silverbulletfirearms.com/

Livingston County:

Don Pablo's Flint

Tyrone Party Store: 9485 Center Rd, Fenton, Michigan

Macomb County:

National Coney Island: 27027 Gratiot Ave, Roseville, Michigan
Hunts With Double Indoor: 51334 Danview Technology Ct
Shelby Twp, Michigan 48315 Website: http://www.huntswithdouble.com/

Andary's Grill: 20658 Hall Road Clinton Twp, Michigan
Phone: 586-954-9380

Monroe County:

Café Classics Coffee House: 29 S. Monroe Street Monroe, Michigan
Phone: 734-242-8286 Website: http://www.cafe-classics.com/

Oakland County:

Ogemaw County:

J.P. Sporting Goods: 3275 West M-55 West Branch, Michigan 48661
Phone: 989-345-3744


Otsego County:

Jay's Sporting Goods: 150 Dale Drive Gaylord, Michigan


Roscommon County:

Brownies Bait And Tackle: 1347 North. St. Helen St. Helen, Michigan 48656
Phone: 989-389-7155
St. Helen Hardware: 2171 N. St Helen Road St Helen Michigan 48656-9454
Whites Metal Detectors Authorized Dealer Phone: 989-389-7288
Village Hardware: 808 Lake Street Roscommon, Michigan 48653
Phone: 989-275-
Lake Transmissions Complete Auto Service: 3232 West Houghton Lake Drive
Houghton Lake, Michigan 48629 24Hr. AAA
Phone: 989-366-9900 Fax: 989-366-6612
LURE'S Family Restaurant: 2570 N. St. Helen Road Saint Helen, Michigan 48656
Phone: 989-389-7558
Van Buren County:

Mr. C's Barber Shop: 115 First Street Lawrence, Michigan
Phone: 269-674-3878

K & D Arms: 106 North Paw Paw Street Lawrence, Michigan
Phone: 269-674-4071 Website: http://www.kdarms.com/index.html

Wayne County:

Flanarys Guns Inc: 153 Merriman Road Garden City, Michigan 48135
Phone: 734-286-4867 0r 734-402-7500 http://www.flanarysguns.webs.com/
Auto Zone: 1636 North Wayne Road Westland, Michigan
SP Guns N Ammo: 16070 Eureka Road Southgate, Michigan
Phone: 734-225-7426

 
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i'm required by law to have a holster? news to me.
i mean it's sort of common sense, but i if i want to carry it in my pocket or tucked into my waistband (with CPL) i will.
 

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well,,,

hey!!! scot623,,, does this new info all boil back to last year,
when you and another OCer were harassed in the park by COPS,
and they said that, even if you IDd yourselves, you would still have to leave?
their was audio of their insane arguments about no guns, but their were no laws against?
you guys beat them up with WORDS?
 

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hey!!! scot623,,, does this new info all boil back to last year,
when you and another OCer were harassed in the park by COPS,
and they said that, even if you IDd yourselves, you would still have to leave?
their was audio of their insane arguments about no guns, but their were no laws against?
you guys beat them up with WORDS?


This was not from Scot623 and I OCing at the park in Marysville. I had attempted to get MOC into a parade in New Baltimore and was denied. Several weeks later I ran into the parade organizer at a local gun store. He stated his reasons for the denial. They were based on lack of knowledge on gun laws. I corrected his info and then contacted the police chief in New Baltimore. The Chief is a stand up guy and respects the rights of everyone. I am happy to see even our attempt to be in the parade brought positive changes. Great job on the interview Rob.
 
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