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    Detained By Metro On The Strip

    So I went down to the Strip tonight to try to get some candid photos of people and ended up in cuffs. I started off photographing in some of the casinos and walkways and ended up in front of the Bellagio at about 9:45pm, which happened to be when the water show was starting. I was in the process of taking some shots of people silhouetted against the light from the water show when I overheard two metro officers, one male, one female, ask two middle-aged black men if they were smoking any "weed". This immediately pulled my attention towards the situation. The men answered no and stated that they were locals who come to the Strip frequently. The male metro officer told them that they would need to see their IDs and the men complied. My attention peaked when the male officer told the men, that for officer safety, they would need to search their pockets. They proceeded to empty their belongings onto the sidewalk in front of the Bellagio. This is about the time I started photographing them.

    After a few seconds the male officer shined his light at me and approached me until he was about 3 inches from my face. He told me that I could not photograph the two men because it violated their privacy. I replied that, since we were on public property, I could photograph the officers and the two men. He stated that "it was in my best interest to turn around and leave." I told him that I was within my rights to photograph and I would not leave. He demanded photo ID and I refused, he told me that "it was in my best interest to show him ID" and that it was state law that I must show ID when asked by a police officer. When I refused, he told me to turn around and spread my legs. He then proceeded cuff me and pat me down, I was asking "why am I being detained during this", but he didn't bother to answer. When he found the small knife I was carrying he said, "you're being detained for illegally carrying a concealed weapon." I told him there are no laws that prohibit me from carrying a knife and he said they would check to see if it was a legal knife.

    He asked for my name, which I gave him, then my date of birth, which I refused to give. He threatened to arrest me if I didn't give it to him, so I chickened out and gave it to him. He called in my info, which took about 5 or 6 minutes. He came back over and took the cuffs off. As soon as the cuffs were off I went to get a pen out of my camera bag and ask for their badge numbers. The male officer told me his before I could write it down.

    This is the kicker, they decided that it was a good time to walk about 15 feet away and set my knife down on the public sidewalk. I contested this, but they said it was for "officer safety" and was protocol for them. I asked for the badge number again and the male officer said, "you might want to go get your knife before that kid does." I went to pick up my knife and looked back to see both officers walking away.

    I had enough sense to switch my camera to video mode and walk after the officers, which was the direction my car was parked too, and ask for both badge numbers. The male officer refused at first stating that "he had given it to me already", but after I contested, gave it to me.

    I apologize for the novel of a post, but this was the last thing I expected to be detained for. That is also the reason I didn't have my recorder on me. I also wish I had been quick enough to switch my camera to video mode during the detainment, although the officer seemed to check it when he was patting me down and would have probably turned it off if it was on. My camera bag was also searched after they discovered the knife.

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    Male Officer-14161

    Female Officer-13587
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    You can post up the video or PM it to me if you wish. I am a audio engineer for a big water show on the strip Not O. And I can try to clean it up for you. We should get the badge numbers correct and some pictures so we can flood metro with emails and calls and demand this stop. Also I would love to put you in contact with my buddies at copblock.org.

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    Also file a complaint ASAP.
    Photography is not a crime.
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    How did they react to you're 1911? Envy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    How did they react to you're 1911? Envy?
    I guess I should have clarified, I was NOT carrying a firearm. I generally don't when I'm out taking photos. All I was doing was photographing. That's why I was shocked when the cuffs came on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    You can post up the video or PM it to me if you wish. I am a audio engineer for a big water show on the strip Not O. And I can try to clean it up for you. We should get the badge numbers correct and some pictures so we can flood metro with emails and calls and demand this stop. Also I would love to put you in contact with my buddies at copblock.org.
    That would be great, I will send you the file as soon as I can.

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    Once the video is "cleaned up" It would be cool if you sent both versions to Tim, so he can post them on Guerrilla Lawfare. Then on your complaint You just give them the link to GL website where the video is located.

    Also I would like to assist you in writing your complaint as I found it best to put down the actual policy s That the officers violated.

    I have a few more hints but would like it if we could talk on the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    You can post up the video or PM it to me if you wish. I am a audio engineer for a big water show on the strip Not O. And I can try to clean it up for you. We should get the badge numbers correct and some pictures so we can flood metro with emails and calls and demand this stop. Also I would love to put you in contact with my buddies at copblock.org.
    Is there a local copblock in Vegas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    Is there a local copblock in Vegas?
    They came through town last summer. And I started getting to know them then.

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    This sounds like one of those things where you should definitely start action on it immediately and get it out there fast.

    You probably know that...oh well.

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    I have this overwhelming urge to take pictures tonight, at say...... Uh well maby the strip. anyone care to join me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I have this overwhelming urge to take pictures tonight, at say...... Uh well maby the strip. anyone care to join me?
    I'll be there.
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    It looks like we got a decent size crew for last min. We are meeting at the Harley Davidson cafe at 8:00 pm Open carry (optional) and camera. See you all down there.

    If you cannot make it, Call someone that might be able to.

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    See you guys there.

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    Me: Thanks for calling Aria security how may I assist you?

    Cosmo Security: Yeah, this is ****** from cosmo security, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up, We just saw 4 WMAs (white male adults) and 2 WFAs (white female adults) all openly carrying .45s. Looks like they are heading for Bellagio but we thought we would give you a heads up.

    Me: Thanks for the heads up but it is perfectly legal to open carry in Nevada.

    Cosmo Security: <Silence> Well just thought you should know.

    Me: Thanks for calling have a pleasant evening.


    Wish I could have came out with you guys tonight but I had to work. Also wish i could make the lunches but my days off are Sunday Monday. Hope you guys had a goodnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phreak View Post
    Me: Thanks for calling Aria security how may I assist you?

    Cosmo Security: Yeah, this is ****** from cosmo security, I just wanted to give you guys a heads up, We just saw 4 WMAs (white male adults) and 2 WFAs (white female adults) all openly carrying .45s. Looks like they are heading for Bellagio but we thought we would give you a heads up.

    Me: Thanks for the heads up but it is perfectly legal to open carry in Nevada.

    Cosmo Security: <Silence> Well just thought you should know.

    Me: Thanks for calling have a pleasant evening.


    Wish I could have came out with you guys tonight but I had to work. Also wish i could make the lunches but my days off are Sunday Monday. Hope you guys had a goodnight.
    That is just funny, were you there? we went ot go in the cosmo on our way to Bellagio, I held the door and security spotted my .45 everyone else went in (right handed folk) and security stopped me. he asked us to go down the stairs so we would not be in the Casino he informed me that it is illegal to be on a gaming floor with a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    he informed me that it is illegal to be on a gaming floor with a firearm.
    Hey he must have found that illusive statute then no one else could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    That is just funny, were you there?

    No I work in Aria security dispatch and the cosmo called. I was like, wish I could have joined in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phreak View Post
    No I work in Aria security dispatch and the cosmo called. I was like, wish I could have joined in.
    Would a mid-day meet up work for you? We did one on news years day. And we walked from one end of the Aria to the other and had no problems. Did you happen to hear about that? I diffidently know the guys with the earwigs seen us. And whats funny is we went through out the Cosmo and they didn't say crap to us that day.

    Now that the weather is starting to get nice I was thinking of doing another noonish meet up.
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    I am in any sunday or monday anytime. Thats why i cant make the lunches on saturdays

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    Alot of fun as usual! Myles or Dave, please, provide the details on the pleasant encounter you had with Metro once my wife and I left you!

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    I was holding back, cause I thought Mplannet should tell it... If he doesnt soon i will break it down. He has the photo and should rightly be the one to do it however

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    I was holding back, cause I thought Mplannet should tell it... If he doesnt soon i will break it down. He has the photo and should rightly be the one to do it however
    Damn, I wish I would have stuck around. As it turned out I could have. I was thinking my wife was going to be heading home at 9. That's when the store closes. She didn't leave for another hour after that.

    Can you at least give us a hint as to the location of the alleged incident. I know in front of the Sugar Factory one metro's finest got an eye full of my sidearm. I kept moving so as not to give them a chance to get inquisitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabotage70 View Post
    Damn, I wish I would have stuck around. As it turned out I could have. I was thinking my wife was going to be heading home at 9. That's when the store closes. She didn't leave for another hour after that.

    Can you at least give us a hint as to the location of the alleged incident. I know in front of the Sugar Factory one metro's finest got an eye full of my sidearm. I kept moving so as not to give them a chance to get inquisitive.
    You have all of us that weren't there very curious now! Somebody gotta tell a story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPlannette View Post
    So I went down to the Strip tonight to try to get some candid photos of people and ended up in cuffs. I started off photographing in some of the casinos and walkways and ended up in front of the Bellagio at about 9:45pm, which happened to be when the water show was starting. I was in the process of taking some shots of people silhouetted against the light from the water show when I overheard two metro officers, one male, one female, ask two middle-aged black men if they were smoking any "weed". This immediately pulled my attention towards the situation...

    Badge Numbers

    Male Officer-14161

    Female Officer-13587
    Hello MPlannette,

    I hope you don't mind a review of the laws that these two police officers violated.

    Duran v. Douglas: Not legal to stop or detain without RAS or PC. LEO needs a warrant without RAS or PC.

    Terry v. Ohio: Detention OK if RAS exists. Cuffs and search for weapons on perp's body OK as long as the search is not beyond a search for weapons.

    Hibel v. Sixth Judicial District: Because Nevada has a "stop and ID" statute, Nevada LEO can demand ID if RAS exists. No RAS=No ID!

    Michigan v. Chesternut: You are detained if you feel you could not leave.

    St. John v. Officer McColley: Officer McColley, et allia, paid St. John $21,000 for an illegal detention. McColley, et allia, paid St. John with personal funds as Judge Black removed Qualified Immunity from the cops involved because they "violated clearly established" enumerated case law.

    42 USC section 1983 is the federal code that creates the legal vehicle for you to sue Officers 14161 and 13587 for the law breaking that they performed on you.

    Sue their asses off! They deserve to pay at least a $100,000 punitive judgement for violating your 4A rights (IMHO).

    markm (IANL)

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