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I've been lurking here for a little over a week now, reading quite a few threads and getting a feel for the place's zeitgeist. I didn't see a specific spot for introductions so General seemed to fit. I see a fair share of rough edges and cool heads, so it's the sort of place I like to read and participate in discussions.
I've always been an enthusiast of military hardware, but was never inclined to actually own a weapon. It wasn't a dislike or aversion, simply something I never really considered. Well, the world continues to become a place where it makes more and more sense to me to exercise my right to carry a weapon. So I've done a bit or research on a first purchase, and begun to familiarize myself with my local and state laws concerning gun ownership. So, I want to purchase a handgun and learn to use it properly and effectively. I'm familiar with the handling of a weapon, trigger discipline, where not to point, when not to point. I have enough common sense to know not to be a ******* with a weapon in public and not to go around brandishing and showing off.
Originally, I was going to purchase the new Springfield XDM .40 3.8, but after doing some looking on ammunition prices and the pros and cons of characteristics of the various types, I decided to instead go for the Springfield XDM 9mm 3.8. Choice in ammunition comes down to price and effectiveness. I'm going to need to practice (I've not actually fired many firearms), so I'm going to need inexpensive ammunition and 9mm is the way to go in that regard. It seems to be generally agreed that 9mm is perfectly sufficient for self defense carrying.
My choice in weapon has several factors: Part of it is almost certainly the "Shiny New Thing" aspect of the newer XDM series. Part of it is because my cup doth not exactly runneth over financially and my first purchase will work double duty as my OC sidearm and as my eventual CCDW sidearm. I will be beginning the process of acquiring my license soon. I like the XDM for the compact size, the availability of accessories and the ability to extend the grip and magazine for higher capacity. It gets rock solid reviews all over the net and from individual users and it seems like a great, if somewhat pricey first firearm.
Anyroad, I'm looking forward to exercising my rights, and in participating in the discussions here. It appears I'm quite lucky to live in Kentucky and be interested in carrying a firearm for self defense.
Last edited by RooksGambit; 03-07-2011 at 10:37 PM.
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In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?
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U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)
Welcome! You made a great choice in a first pistol, the XD and XDM pistols are fantastic, I love mine. There's a really good handgun dvd you should check out called the art of the dynamic handgun. It's made by Magpul and is probably the best training DVD I've seen. It really helped me out and got me working on some important things that go with carrying a firearm for defense.
Welcome. Although I prefer .45ACP as a PD round, my Hi-Power carries +P+ HST 124g hps. The 9x19 is an excellent, proven round for PD--with the right load, and very economical to shoot for fun. The Croats make good guns, although striker fired isn't my cup of tea. You made a good choice.
Thanks for the welcomes! Yes, the choice in 9x19 (is there a difference between NATO 9x19 and "9mm"?) was almost entirely based on a need to practice and do so economically. Still a couple of paycheck's away from saving for the purchase, but it's coming soon. Took a trip to a couple of local gun shops to handle one, and did indeed like the overall presentation. I can see how outside of carrying for PD, firearms can easily become a hobby.
"I never learned anything from a man who agreed with me." - Robert A. Heinlein
9mm Luger or Parabellum is the same as 9x19. That is the NATO round. There are also 9x17m, 9x18 and Largo--that I think is 9x21. 17 is .380 and 18 is Russkie Makarov. 9mm almost always means 9x19.
Welcome! You will find a wealth of information here, plus some really knowledgeable people that will help you along.
9X17= 380 auto
9X21 exist, but i dont know what guns
9X23= 9mm largo,, also 9mm styre,, 9X23 winchester, also similar 38 auto, 38 super
my gun is a Star Modelo Super A, 9mm largo, it will shoot styre and 38 auto and 38 super,
i have also shot 9X23 winchester in it, but im not supposed to, its like +P+P+
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Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...
All power is inherent in the people,
it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!
The 9x21mm pistol cartridge (also known as the 9x21mm IMI or 9 mm IMI) was designed by Israel Military Industries for those markets where military service cartridges, like the 9x19mm Parabellum, are banned by law for civilian use, such as Italy and Mexico.
Based on the 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge, the casing was lengthened from 19 to 21 mm (0.75 to 0.83 in). The bullet sits slightly deeper, which results in almost the same overall length as the 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge.
I do have the one, 24/7 OSS, like I said. Well built, not a bad DA pull, but gritty SA. However, the least accurate gun I own. But, $500 for the Taurus as opposed to $1000 for the SIGs is a 'you get what you pay for' reality. And I wouldn't freak out if I got a scratch on the Taurus.
Welcome! And just to be a PITA, don't forget the 9x29mm AKA 9mm Winchester Magnum!
Here is a great cartridge comparison page for y'all:
I might make minor quibbles, but nothing would affect the validity of your observations about the end-result, in practice, with most designs that actually exist.
I, too, prefer the classic JMB designs for the reasons you've articulated, although I've never really assigned those reasons to the use of hammers instead of strikers (necessarily).
Got something to show off in my holster wear thread?And I wouldn't freak out if I got a scratch on the Taurus.
(I'll have to check out the thread.)
JMB designs are my favorites as well. 1911, B.A.R., Ma Deuce.
Will RogersThe thing about common sense is....it ain't too common.
It's good enough. .40, .45, .357, and 10mm are all more effective, but the 9mm JHP rounds are effective in the hands of a decent marksman, so practice is certainly important. In fact, it's important for all types of ammo.I decided to instead go for the Springfield XDM 9mm 3.8. Choice in ammunition comes down to price and effectiveness. I'm going to need to practice (I've not actually fired many firearms), so I'm going to need inexpensive ammunition and 9mm is the way to go in that regard. It seems to be generally agreed that 9mm is perfectly sufficient for self defense carrying.
Practice with cheap, 115-gr ball ammo, available for as little as $20 per 100 rounds. Copper-jacketed is only slightly more expensive, but it'll save you scrubbing lead out of your barrel. Even with chemicals, it's a pain.
As for practice, just firing 100 rounds one after another won't help improve your marksmanship, much. Find a local range, rent the same or similar model firearm you're interested in purchasing, and enlist the help of a local expert. Ask for some tips on holding, aiming, firing, and clearing. The owner of the range or one of his associates is probably your best bet. Sometimes you can find another person at the range who's qualified to help.
Of course there are a lot of qualified people here, too!