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    Lightbulb Black Powder Revolver For Open Carry?

    I am thinking of getting a black powder revolver and of course open carrying it on occasion. I am currently looking at a Traditions 1873 Colt .44 caliber revolver.

    What would "you" choose and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    I am thinking of getting a black powder revolver and of course open carrying it on occasion. I am currently looking at a Traditions 1873 Colt .44 caliber revolver.

    What would "you" choose and why?
    ok i know its the civil war reenactor in me but a LaMat would be my choice. Can you say fire power?



    most revolvers 5-6 shots LaMat 9 plus a shotgun shot.... why use anything else?
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    well,,,

    cabelas has italian made 1858 new army,, pretty cheap, but well made!

    quick change with pre-loaded spare cylinders, good enough for clint eastwood,
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    Red face

    The LeMAt is pretty cool but it's very big too. Too big to pack in a holster for a long time. The Remingtons are nice too. Thanks all!

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    I have a .44 cal Pietta 1860 Army Revolver, and they're pretty damn cool. I love shooting mine, and I did consider open carrying it when it was the only handgun I owned at the time. The only problem with that is you cannot unload unless you fire off all your shots or take the time to pull the round ball outta the cylinder. There's also the consideration of having the hammer on an empty chamber because if you have the hammer resting on a cap and someone bumps the hammer, it can go off. For open carry, I would not consider it to be a gun I'd use. Just my $.02.
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    In the past I owned a Colts Walker Replica and a Colt's 1st Model Dragoon.

    Blackpowder guns are fun....alot of fun,
    But they wouldnt be my choice for OC in public or
    past a private outdoor shooting range.

    I know someone that uses and relies on a Black powder Double
    10 ga ....and know of a pedophile that is pretty thankful the second
    cap didnt go.

    I dont like giving a bad guy a second chance on a split second
    decision.

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    well,,,

    modern made antiques have a hammer rest cut into the cylinder, in between the actual chambers!
    rotating have a notch and lowering the hammer into the notch renders the gun drop safe!
    simply removing unfired percussion caps renders the gun essentially and legally unloaded!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    modern made antiques have a hammer rest cut into the cylinder, in between the actual chambers!
    rotating have a notch and lowering the hammer into the notch renders the gun drop safe!
    simply removing unfired percussion caps renders the gun essentially and legally unloaded!
    But if you get into an altercation and you fire off a round, and then the fired cap gets stuck and prevents the cylinder from rotating, then what? I'm not saying that there isn't a way to carry it safely, but I know for a fact that even when I'm shooting it at a range that's happened to me. Ideally when you're firing the 1860 Army, you fire off your first round, aim the muzzle skyward, cock the hammer so the percussion cap doesn't jam up the cylinder, bring the gun down and fire again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro01 View Post
    Ideally when you're firing the 1860 Army, you fire off your first round, aim the muzzle skyward, cock the hammer so the percussion cap doesn't jam up the cylinder, bring the gun down and fire again.


    You aint doin that with a Walker or 1st Model.

    Do that with a Walker or 1st Model and your pickin the unfired caps off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyro01 View Post
    I have a .44 cal Pietta 1860 Army Revolver, and they're pretty damn cool. I love shooting mine, and I did consider open carrying it when it was the only handgun I owned at the time. The only problem with that is you cannot unload unless you fire off all your shots or take the time to pull the round ball outta the cylinder. There's also the consideration of having the hammer on an empty chamber because if you have the hammer resting on a cap and someone bumps the hammer, it can go off. For open carry, I would not consider it to be a gun I'd use. Just my $.02.
    Can't you just remove the cylinder? If I used my Ruger Old Army, that's what I would do. But man, that is a big gun. I guess I would have to walk and talk softly.

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    Pullin the cyl on an ol' Colt aint practical unless your cleanin it.

    The barrel is held in place with a wedge and its possible to
    set it too tight for the cyl to spin.

    I had a Ruger BP...swapped it off for the 1st Model.
    Ruger was too nice.

    BP guns are supposed to be problematic.

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    What size percussion caps are you using ? As a rule No. 11 caps are for rifles and no. 10 are for pistols.
    10 fit tight and don't fly off as 11's do. Also it is not recommended to remove caps once placed on a charged cylinder. I remove my cylinder from the revolver and case it for transport the cylinder in a more protected area well padded.
    As it is only my opinion the cylinder is like a loaded mag. that has been removed from the firearm for transport.

    I tend to like 1858 rem. A convertion cyl. 45 long colt will cost as much as the gun perhaps a little more and at that price you can get 4-5 percussion cylinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    Can't you just remove the cylinder? If I used my Ruger Old Army, that's what I would do. But man, that is a big gun. I guess I would have to walk and talk softly.
    For vehicle transport a percussion firearm can have the powder and ball in it, but it cannot have a cap on the nipple.

    I have a couple of the Remington 1858's and Glockgirl has an 1851 Colt--- great fun to shoot but seriously, for OC? If everyone else carried cap and ball revolvers, okay. But if you actually NEEDED to use it you'd be at quite a disadvantage:

    1) Single action revolver
    2) Forget about reloading. And if you wanted to, you have to carry quite a collection of crap with you.
    3) At best you might have something equivalent to a standard velocity .38 special in terms of muzzle energy, unless you're hauling a Walker or Dragoon around-- which are quite heavy.
    4) Damp weather--- not good.
    5) Five shots, depending upon the model-- although the Remingtons allow all six chambers to be loaded because the hammer can rest in a notch on the cylinder.
    6) Much more prone to fouling, jamming, failure to fire.
    7) Carrying two would be better than one--- although that's true of modern pistols too!
    8) Cleaning is essential, and a pain.
    9) Not much in the way of a practical holster--- what sort of retention holsters are they making for those?

    On the plus side--- they are pretty and the smoke smells goooood! I prefer the scent of real black powder over Pyrodex!
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    Pistol caps...the good German ones.
    Not that brass crap.

    Colts Walker and the Dragoons are horse pistols.

    Big guns.
    Too big and too heavy for practical holster carry.
    They weigh about 5 lbs charged and can
    run a 60gr + charge of triple F.

    Most .44 BP run only a 40gr charge.
    A Brass frame gun aint safe past 10 or 15 gr...tho personally I wouldnt
    shoot one.I like my fingers.


    Its the recoil that knocks them loose.
    Picture Dirty Harry wearing a 70's suit and a Kepi,tho technically
    they were made before the war...the 3rd model did see some use.

    There were some 2nd and 3rd models released with shoulder stocks.

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    Pyrodex ??? I wouldnt shoot that crap if it were free.
    I had more miss fires and hang fires with that garbage than I ever did with
    black powder....
    I burned a 1lb can of BP a weekend shooting... Finally we tossed the pyrodex in a fire.
    Can and all...
    Only thing it did was sparkle....didnt go boom or wooooshh ...just sparkle.

    Kinda pretty really.
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    i see one here every now and again, wearing a nice western holster, with a black powder, Open Carried.

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    Too slow, temperamental, heavy, large. There are enough cowboy guns that use .45 cased ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR Yote 312 View Post
    Pistol caps...the good German ones.
    Not that brass crap.

    Colts Walker and the Dragoons are horse pistols.

    Big guns.
    Too big and too heavy for practical holster carry.
    They weigh about 5 lbs charged and can
    run a 60gr + charge of triple F.

    Most .44 BP run only a 40gr charge.
    A Brass frame gun aint safe past 10 or 15 gr...tho personally I wouldnt
    shoot one.I like my fingers.


    Its the recoil that knocks them loose.
    Picture Dirty Harry wearing a 70's suit and a Kepi,tho technically
    they were made before the war...the 3rd model did see some use.

    There were some 2nd and 3rd models released with shoulder stocks.

    LR Yote

    Pyrodex ??? I wouldnt shoot that crap if it were free.
    I had more miss fires and hang fires with that garbage than I ever did with
    black powder....
    I burned a 1lb can of BP a weekend shooting... Finally we tossed the pyrodex in a fire.
    Can and all...
    Only thing it did was sparkle....didnt go boom or wooooshh ...just sparkle.

    Kinda pretty really.
    I only use black powder as well. I have a couple of 50 cal, rifles and one 50 cal. Pistol. I figure using the 50 cal. pistol gives you two chances during an altercation. If you miss with the only shot you have and are close enough, with a little luck you will burn his or her hair off!!!!!!!!
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    Black powder firearms

    I own several BP firearms My favorite for open carry is a Remington model .31 caliber (uses .32 caliber balls). I bought mine some years ago from Navy Arms. I see Cabela's has a similar model on sale for $250.

    Some points:
    Use American Pioneer powder. I have used Jim Schokey Gold for years with very few problems. Essetially it it non-fouling and is not hydroscopic as black powder is.

    I prefer the Remington style over the Colt style because of the solid backstrap for strength, quicker loading, and fast cylinder changing. If you do choose a Colt make sure to use only #10 percussion caps. #11 will come off the nipple and jam the hammer almost every time you fire (The black powder equivalent of stovepiping). Not so often with remington style revolver although you should always use #10 caps with them also.

    The remington style allows all clyinders to be loaded because of the notches in the cylinder. The Colt, you had better keep one cylinder empty.

    Cylinder change during a firefight with a Colt style BP revolver is a "forget it".

    The New model pocket .31 I have has a 3.5 inch barrel, 8inches overall length, and weighs about 16 ounces. It has a spur trigger which makes drawing it from a holster a mite faster.

    There is a lot of talk on the forum concerning capacity, caliber size, weight, reload speed etc. Choice of firearm is like choice of vehicles. Some like Ford Focus others will settle for nothing less than a F350 Super Duty with a 6.0 deisel engine. The bottom line is to choose something you are confident in and feel comfortable with. In Wisconsin the requirement to prove "imminent danger" in order to plea a defense of self defense almost dictates that you be very close to your assailant. There may be some exceptions but in most cases that will require you to be probably not more than 10 to 12 feet away, not the media popular range of 21 feet. At 10 to 12 feet if a person can't put any bullet where it is supposed to go then maybe they should consider something other than a firearm for personalprotection. My opinion.

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    IMHO, if you just want to show your different BP revolvers, go to the Rendezvous in Prarie Du Chein. If you're carrying for defensive purposes, then leave the BP guns at home and carry an auto or double action revolver. This is only my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    On the plus side--- they are pretty and the smoke smells goooood! I prefer the scent of real black powder over Pyrodex!
    And, a man's got to know his limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phred View Post
    And, a man's got to know his limitations.

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    guns a gun to me. you point them and they go bang. some just more dynamically than others. black powder is good any time in my book. i think there was something around that some guy bombed a couple of scum with a black powder at some qwicky mart somewhere. the gun went bang, crime paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    guns a gun to me.
    Can't argue with the logic, but I try to have every possible edge I can over a potential opponent-- better equipment, better training, more practice, more knowledge, better tactics, awareness--- anything that enhances my chances to prevail. Carrying a single action revolver, particularly a black powder variety, is a move in the other direction.
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    Red face Cabelas has several BP revolvers on sale now....looking into getting one of those...

    I see the big stainless target revolver in .44 is on sale for $380 or so. What a nice looking revolver and it has excellent reviews. It is a mite big for regular carry but....something to think about!

    I am going to a friends house this weekend to look at his collection of BP revolvers and see if he has something I may want to carry.

    Thanks for all the comments everyone!

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    Just to throw my pair o' pennies into this..... I took my 1847 colt walker replica for a walk the other day, just to see it went. And wow... thats alot of metal to tote around. It was hard to sit down without clunking the gun on things or having it push into me in weird ways. I gave it about 3 hours before I went back to car swapped it for the .45.

    It was fun for a while tho.....
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