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    Boycott List for St Louis and St Charles Counties

    This post will be edited as new restaurants and retail establishments are confirmed to be either posted no firearms or have a manager or corporate policy not allowing Openly Carried firearms.

    The following businesses are to be Boycotted for their intolerance of your 2nd Amendment rights.

    Restuarants............................... Retail ...........................Malls

    Waffle House .................................................. ........................... Mills(Posted)
    both the one near STL airport .................................................. ...........(Cabela's OK)
    and on St Charles Rock Rd
    (posted)

    Mattingly's
    In St Charles (posted)

    Hot Shots Bar and Grill
    In Maryland Heights (posted)
    St Charles (posted)

    Lion's Choice
    all locations (posted)

    Fazoli's
    in Bridgeton (posted)


    Gun Stores

    Adventure Shooting Sports
    In Chesterfield (per GM, owner says no OC)

    On Target
    IN Valley Park (Owner Karl speaks out both publicly and privately against OC)

    Gas Stations and Convenience Stores

    Z/X Gas Station and Convenience Store
    on n hwy 94/first capitol


    Banks

    Frontenac Bank
    2625 W Clay St, St Charles (posted)
    Last edited by sohighlyunlikely; 12-22-2011 at 11:26 PM. Reason: added more places

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    just throwing this up in the air, but maybe using google docs. you can have multiple people work on a document/real time collaboration. may save on multiple people posting in a thread.

    i have no places to add though

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    The PR rep from Schnucks contacted me via the phone after they pulled the CCW signs. in response to my inquiry

    He indicated concealed was fine if permitted but OC would be asked to leave without regard for it being legal or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    The PR rep from Schnucks contacted me via the phone after they pulled the CCW signs. in response to my inquiry

    He indicated concealed was fine if permitted but OC would be asked to leave without regard for it being legal or not.
    They'll take the money, just have their eyes closed to 2 A rights. Not much has changed then.
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
    I worked 24/7 for 2A OC rights! Don't like what I did? Try it yourself, it was my full time job!
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    Schnucks is an odd one.

    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    The PR rep from Schnucks contacted me via the phone after they pulled the CCW signs. in response to my inquiry

    He indicated concealed was fine if permitted but OC would be asked to leave without regard for it being legal or not.
    That was the stance that I was presuming they would take. I have made a point to OC in several of their locations and I am a semi-regular OC'er to the Bridgeton location. All I ever get is smiles. If I can get a managers name who is enforcing any anti-OC rules. I would gladly put that location on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    That was the stance that I was presuming they would take. I have made a point to OC in several of their locations and I am a semi-regular OC'er to the Bridgeton location. All I ever get is smiles. If I can get a managers name who is enforcing any anti-OC rules. I would gladly put that location on the list.

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    I wrote the "contact me" on their webspace and included my phone number. The self described customer relations pr guy told me how big the Schnuck folks were into hunting etc. I asked him if the new position was one of support for all legal carry for permit holders since that is what the post disgrace said. He questioned me as to what I meant and I told him that some muni's restricted open carry unless one had a permit so was the Schucks official position that if a person was legally carrying a gun it was ok.

    He waffled a bit and circled his wagons a bit and said he did not want to be the source of man with a gun calls to the police and he felt openly carried firearms would draw complaints from customers and possibly calls to the police and for those reasons they did not want folks to carry openly in the stores.

    That boycott is not over for me, they gave 25k to fight ccw, when they give five times that to pro 2a they can have my dollars again.

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    Mattingly's

    Mattingly's restaurant in St Charles MO added to list.

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    Hot Shots

    Hot Shots Bar and Grill, in Maryland Heights MO on Dorsett Rd. is posted.

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    I am no fan of the no gun signs, but I am not too sure hot shots is an option under the 50% in booze sales anyway.

    Unless things have changed in my hiatus which is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    Adventure Shooting Sports
    In Chesterfield (per GM owner says no OC)
    Seriously? Adventure says No OC? May have to give them a call - if its true I will let them know I will no longer frequent their shop.

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    Adventure says no OC

    Quote Originally Posted by dkangel21 View Post
    Seriously? Adventure says No OC? May have to give them a call - if its true I will let them know I will no longer frequent their shop.

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    Real restaurant

    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    I am no fan of the no gun signs, but I am not too sure hot shots is an option under the 50% in booze sales anyway.

    Unless things have changed in my hiatus which is possible.
    I picked up a tip from Cshoff. If they can sell liquor on Sunday they are a real restaurant claiming 51% sales of food. I am pretty sure hotshots applies to that standard.

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    So, for my info, what difference does the over/under 50% actually mean?

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    Finally followed through with Shop N' Save. Talked to their Loss Prevention Manager, who told me their policy is to follow local and state law, thus they don't restrict open carry unless the municipality does.

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    bars

    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    So, for my info, what difference does the over/under 50% actually mean?
    Well the CCW laws restrict "bar carry". So true taverns kind of exist in a gray area. Not that that applies to OC but for that reason and a couple others. Some based on personal experiences from working in nightclubs. I will not be listing bars on the OC boycott list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    Well that settles it for me. I sent an email to the store owner indicating it is his right to restrict it but it is my right to no longer shop in his store and to let all my friends know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    So, for my info, what difference does the over/under 50% actually mean?
    According to RsMO, an establishment that receives 51% of its income from the sale of alcohol is considered a bar and we can't carry in one (without permission from the owner).

    Therefore, if an establishment sells alcohol, but receives 51% of its income from things OTHER than alcohol, it is NOT a bar, and is merely a restaurant that serves alcohol, meaning we can carry there.

    I guess, according to cshoff, (I personally don't really know and will have to read up on it. [links welcome]) establishments (bars) receiving over 51% of their revenue from the sale of alcohol cannot be open on Sunday.

    Logical deduction leads to the conclusion that: If the place is open on Sundays, we can carry there.

    I believe HotShots is open Sundays, hence: Not a bar. (Even though it appears very "barlike" to me.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    I picked up a tip from Cshoff. If they can sell liquor on Sunday they are a real restaurant claiming 51% sales of food. I am pretty sure hotshots applies to that standard.

    Doc
    Well I am not often finding myself in disagreement with the hoff but I am now.

    There has been no provision restricting "bars" from selling "by the drink" since 1981 when the "blue law" was repealed but the laws are HUGE and I could be 100% wrong.

    The liquor laws are about the only thing more confusing than the gun laws.

    I am really trying to think on this and bars that sell no food are more rare than the past so I am not coming up with anything.

    Have you reviewed the statutes or has Hoff? I have no problem with either word but I am blown away that hotshots would claim 51% in food. First off it is CHEAP food, second I have had several meetings there on the rock road location and have not noticed much of anyone eating.

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    Hot shots on the rockroad aka bridgeton is NOT posted, prompted me to send the following from my mocarry addy: (edit, I was there an hour ago)

    Dear sir or madam,

    It has been drawn to our attention that a recent change has happened at one of your locations. The Maryland Hts. Store now has a “no firearms allowed” sign in the window. This is not consistant with the past or other Hotshots locations and it has caused some confusion.

    There are over 100,000 licensees firearms all of which have their fingerprints, an FBI background check and other qualifications through training and many of us work very hard to assure all persons rights are upheld.

    We would like to know the company position so that we may respect your rights. If you do not want legally owned and carried firearms in your establishments please let us know. Please also understand that with that respect comes our resolve that we are indeed the good guys and while we will not bring ours, criminals have no concerns with signs or laws.

    I am requesting this feed back as soon as possible as your posted facility is already, as of 3-15-2011, on our boycott list and I would like to remove it as soon as possible. Please also understand that we do this out of respect for your right to make that choice.

    I hope to hear from you by the close of business 3-21-2011 as to the official position as we understand upon occasion a manager will make a change like this that is not the official position of the ownership. Most of us wear out firearms like our wallets and when our rights are restricted we avoid at all cost as we do not seek conflict but our wallets do not go where our rights are restricted by choice.

    Your thoughts are appreciated and please understand this note and any response to it will indeed be publicly posted on several civil rights groups web spaces ranging from firearms to tea party topics. I would much rather be posting a retraction request than a company wide boycott, however that choice is yours and we will respect your decision either way.

    Thank you,
    Rich L.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    Hot shots on the rockroad aka Bridgeton is NOT posted, prompted me to send the following from my mocarry addy: (edit, I was there an hour ago)

    Dear sir or madam,

    It has been drawn to our attention that a recent change has happened at one of your locations. The Maryland Hts. Store now has a “no firearms allowed” sign in the window. This is not consistent with the past or other Hotshots locations and it has caused some confusion.

    There are over 100,000 licensees firearms all of which have their fingerprints, an FBI background check and other qualifications through training and many of us work very hard to assure all persons rights are upheld.

    We would like to know the company position so that we may respect your rights. If you do not want legally owned and carried firearms in your establishments please let us know. Please also understand that with that respect comes our resolve that we are indeed the good guys and while we will not bring ours, criminals have no concerns with signs or laws.

    I am requesting this feed back as soon as possible as your posted facility is already, as of 3-15-2011, on our boycott list and I would like to remove it as soon as possible. Please also understand that we do this out of respect for your right to make that choice.

    I hope to hear from you by the close of business 3-21-2011 as to the official position as we understand upon occasion a manager will make a change like this that is not the official position of the ownership. Most of us wear out firearms like our wallets and when our rights are restricted we avoid at all cost as we do not seek conflict but our wallets do not go where our rights are restricted by choice.

    Your thoughts are appreciated and please understand this note and any response to it will indeed be publicly posted on several civil rights groups web spaces ranging from firearms to tea party topics. I would much rather be posting a retraction request than a company wide boycott, however that choice is yours and we will respect your decision either way.

    Thank you,
    Rich L.
    Well written Sir. I am fore warning you I may plagiarize and alter it to fit for use with other businesses in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    Well written Sir. I am fore warning you I may plagiarize and alter it to fit for use with other businesses in the future.

    Doc
    No problem, I screwed up the wallet gun relationship and it can be cleaned up.

    Know any artist whom could draw a pistol in a holster with an attached money clip? just something to illistrate the two are indeed connected was the thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMTD View Post
    No problem, I screwed up the wallet gun relationship and it can be cleaned up.

    Know any artist whom could draw a pistol in a holster with an attached money clip? just something to illustrate the two are indeed connected was the thought.
    here I put this together. I like it. If you want it converted to a black and white simple print style let me know.

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    Last edited by sohighlyunlikely; 03-18-2011 at 12:22 AM.

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    Well I like it, but I think a revolver like a redhawk in a cowboy holster with that shrun and placed on the mid section of the holster works better.

    As a gun snob you know I want a 1911 but in reality the cowboy gun is more familiar without the combat weapon reference the auto seems to give these days.

    BTW can you save me a lot of search time and lonk me to the 2 mm shirt, I lost the link some how. I know it was a different service but now that the union crap is over and the military is gone I can again spend a little time on my own passions instead of works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlite27 View Post
    According to RsMO, an establishment that receives 51% of its income from the sale of alcohol is considered a bar and we can't carry in one (without permission from the owner).

    Therefore, if an establishment sells alcohol, but receives 51% of its income from things OTHER than alcohol, it is NOT a bar, and is merely a restaurant that serves alcohol, meaning we can carry there.

    I guess, according to cshoff, (I personally don't really know and will have to read up on it. [links welcome]) establishments (bars) receiving over 51% of their revenue from the sale of alcohol cannot be open on Sunday.

    Logical deduction leads to the conclusion that: If the place is open on Sundays, we can carry there.

    I believe HotShots is open Sundays, hence: Not a bar. (Even though it appears very "barlike" to me.)
    But that doesn't really matter anyways if you have a CCW, right?

    It doesn't authorize but it's not criminal, something along those lines.

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    Got a response from hotshots and discovered a problem with the Sunday sales logic.

    311.089 indicates a 150k vs 60k sales ratio.

    That is a 60/40 split meaning they can sell up to 60% of their gross in booze which would not meet the 51% controls in place for the concealed weapons laws.

    I will post the reply mail when I get home tonight.

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