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Asked to leave US Bank in Sumner (while OC'ing)

1911er

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US Bank

I sent a request for a copy of the corporate policy regarding open carry in their bank and recieved this as A reply:


Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank to assist you in your inquiry.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Although a state will allow you to carry handgun legally.
Branches are private property; therefore, we choose to not allow individuals to possess weapons on our property.
This is for the security of our customers and employees. We hope you understand our reasoning.

Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank the opportunity to assist you through our online services.

Sincerely,

Hnub Chang
Email Operations
U.S. Bank 24-Hour Banking and Financial Sales
 
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amlevin

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I sent a request for a copy of the corporate policy regarding open carry in their bank and recieved this as A reply:


Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank to assist you in your inquiry.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Although a state will allow you to carry handgun legally.
Branches are private property; therefore, we choose to not allow individuals to possess weapons on our property.
This is for the security of our customers and employees. We hope you understand our reasoning.

Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank the opportunity to assist you through our online services.

Sincerely,

Hnub Chang
Email Operations
U.S. Bank 24-Hour Banking and Financial Sales


And there you have it. The choice is now whether to Bank there or not.
 

joeroket

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I sent a request for a copy of the corporate policy regarding open carry in their bank and recieved this as A reply:


Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank to assist you in your inquiry.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Although a state will allow you to carry handgun legally.
Branches are private property; therefore, we choose to not allow individuals to possess weapons on our property.
This is for the security of our customers and employees. We hope you understand our reasoning.

Thank you for allowing U.S. Bank the opportunity to assist you through our online services.

Sincerely,

Hnub Chang
Email Operations
U.S. Bank 24-Hour Banking and Financial Sales

Hmmm..... Disarming me is hardly for the security of me, their customer while doing business in their bank. Are they going to provide an armed security detail to follow me around while I do business with them? I think not.

I am so tired of this senseless type of thinking from people/businesses who think they know whats best for everyone.

I would like to ask them how many of their banks have been robbed with a weapon and then ask how restricting me, a law abiding citizen, from carrying a firearm is making everyone else in the bank more secure.
 

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Banks are insured, they would rather the bank robber get the cash and leave the branch, before any customers or employees are hurt. Bank robberies are about the threat of violence, it's really only in the movies that any firearms are actually discharged. Simple answer is private property, feel free to take your custom elsewhere. Also, concealed means concealed, is a popular comment around here.
 

Bill Starks

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US Bank policy - NO WEAPONS except for LEO. I have been going round and round with them for a year. They feel that since they are Federally insured they are a federal institution and thus no weapons. They are also antigun and WILL NOT issue banks accounts to gun type businesses.

Wells Fargo policy - NO WEAPONS except for LEO.

Chase Bank - anti gun all the way. WILL NOT issue banks accounts to gun type businesses


Bank of America policy - lawful carry welcome

Key Bank policy - lawful carry welcome
 

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Chase has no problem with me using my Chase issued credit card to make gun and related purchases.

Funny how that works.
 
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Bill Starks

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Chase has no problem with me using my Chase issued credit card to make gun and related purchases.

Funny how that works.

Try to open a bank account for your Gun Business. Not gonna happen. When Deros and I open the account for the Second Amendment Rally we were told (by a US Bank employee) that US Bank will not open bank accounts for gun shop businesses.
 
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Lucky_Dog

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Relax

I don't disagree.

They have no issue taking money from the vendor for a gun or my cash if I don't pay in full when the bill is due but don't want to appear to be gun friendly by actually supporting a gun related business.

Perhaps ironic would have been a better choice of words.
 

o2ryan

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... Also, concealed means concealed, is a popular comment around here.

Uh...I think you are confusing this forum with another. That comment may be made on occasion around here, but not enough to be considered popular by any means. This is not a concealed carry forum and this is not a concealed carry topic. This is about being discriminated against for the practice of OC due to ignorance and prejudice.

I understand, you are suggesting to the OP that if he was to CC while visiting the bank he could continue on with his business, but that is hardly the point of this conversation. The fact is that BofA chooses to discriminate against OC while burying their heads in the sand to the fact that so many of their customers(not unlike the criminals they are so afraid of) can and do CC in their branches, and therefor do not deserve our business.
 

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I don't disagree.

They have no issue taking money from the vendor for a gun or my cash if I don't pay in full when the bill is due but don't want to appear to be gun friendly by actually supporting a gun related business.

Perhaps ironic would have been a better choice of words.

Perhaps moronic would be a better choice yet
 

1911er

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Letter sent to US Bunk oops( Bank)

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If it is corporate policy to not allow open carry of lawful handguns in your branches. I would suggest that you post it on the entrances so that other law abiding citizens wont be escorted out of the bank by managers. Wahington state law says:



RCW 9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places — Local laws and ordinances — Exceptions — Penalty.


(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:

(a) The restricted access areas of a jail, or of a law enforcement facility, or any place used for the confinement of a person (i) arrested for, charged with, or convicted of an offense, (ii) held for extradition or as a material witness, or (iii) otherwise confined pursuant to an order of a court, except an order under chapter 13.32A or 13.34 RCW. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress or ingress open to the general public;

(b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b).

For purposes of this subsection (1)(b), "weapon" means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or any weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or any knife, dagger, dirk, or other similar weapon that is capable of causing death or bodily injury and is commonly used with the intent to cause death or bodily injury.

In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building.

The local judicial authority shall designate and clearly mark those areas where weapons are prohibited, and shall post notices at each entrance to the building of the prohibition against weapons in the restricted areas;

(c) The restricted access areas of a public mental health facility certified by the department of social and health services for inpatient hospital care and state institutions for the care of the mentally ill, excluding those facilities solely for evaluation and treatment. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress and ingress open to the general public;

(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; or

(e) The restricted access areas of a commercial service airport designated in the airport security plan approved by the federal transportation security administration, including passenger screening checkpoints at or beyond the point at which a passenger initiates the screening process. These areas do not include airport drives, general parking areas and walkways, and shops and areas of the terminal that are outside the screening checkpoints and that are normally open to unscreened passengers or visitors to the airport. Any restricted access area shall be clearly indicated by prominent signs indicating that firearms and other weapons are prohibited in the area.

(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or

(ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

(3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone.

(b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law.

(4) Violations of local ordinances adopted under subsection (2) of this section must have the same penalty as provided for by state law.

(5) The perimeter of the premises of any specific location covered by subsection (1) of this section shall be posted at reasonable intervals to alert the public as to the existence of any law restricting the possession of firearms on the premises.

(6) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

(a) A person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments, while engaged in official duties;

(b) Law enforcement personnel, except that subsection (1)(b) of this section does apply to a law enforcement officer who is present at a courthouse building as a party to an action under chapter 10.14, 10.99, or 26.50 RCW, or an action under Title 26 RCW where any party has alleged the existence of domestic violence as defined in RCW 26.50.010; or

(c) Security personnel while engaged in official duties.

(7) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to a person licensed pursuant to RCW 9.41.070 who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises or checks his or her firearm. The person may reclaim the firearms upon leaving but must immediately and directly depart from the place or facility.

(8) Subsection (1)(c) of this section does not apply to any administrator or employee of the facility or to any person who, upon entering the place or facility, directly and promptly proceeds to the administrator of the facility or the administrator's designee and obtains written permission to possess the firearm while on the premises.

(9) Subsection (1)(d) of this section does not apply to the proprietor of the premises or his or her employees while engaged in their employment.

(10) Any person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(11) "Weapon" as used in this section means any firearm, explosive as defined in RCW 70.74.010, or instrument or weapon listed in RCW 9.41.250.


[2008 c 33 § 1. Prior: 2004 c 116 § 1; 2004 c 16 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 429; 1993 c 396 § 1; 1985 c 428 § 2.]



I realize as a company you have the right to remove law abiding citizens from your establishment for openly carrying handguns But I also know as a law abiding citizen that openly carries a handgun that I can take my banking business elsewhere And will do all within my power to let the other law abiding citizens that feel they have the right to carry do the same thing. And you are right. If a criminal walks in to rob one of your banks I,m sure your other customers will feel they are much safer that everyone that could deter that robbery has been asked to not come in.
 

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. And you are right. If a criminal walks in to rob one of your banks I,m sure your other customers will feel they are much safer that everyone that could deter that robbery has been asked to not come in.

I'm not so sure the prospect of someone starting a gunfight in their facility, in order to stop a robbery, really appeals to them.

When's the last time that you've seen an armed guard, other than an Armored Car Guard, present in any Bank. Most have stopped the practice because of the risk of gunfire putting other patrons at risk.

As for "deterrent", what makes anyone think that the presence of an openly armed citizen is going to stop a robbery? Most are accomplished by no weapon being shown, just a note passed to the teller. Nobody knows that the robbery occurred until the manager runs out and locks the doors after the actor has left.

If we were to see a "takeover robbery" where the actors come in, fire a few shots in the ceiling, and order everyone down, don't you think the first thing they'll deal with is any visible weapons? Hopefully they just take it away rather than the alternative of a bullet or two in the back of the carriers head.

There's a reason for the banks to "just give them the money". As for their carry policies, one can literally "Take Them" or "Leave Them". I wouldn't be married to any bank that doesn't treat me as I feel I should. There are lots of banks out there, and Credit Unions as well.

FWIW, I quit using US Bank years ago for their wire transfer policies. Their "gun policies" are the least of their problems.
 
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Amlevin is right about the note passing, Bank policy is during a robbery, not those movie robberies where the security guard is the first to be shot because of his "lack of training", they are to hand over the money without resistance for the safety of customers. Also another form of robbery is after hours, robbers don't like drawing attention to themselves until they are far away, lessens the risk of arrest during the act, or inside employee jobs.

My family stopped using US Bank back in '99-'00, they kept robbing us of our money and covering it up with excuses and bank policies "We are FEDERAL so shaddup!" So it is no surprise (somewhat) illegally barring you from carrying your firearm on their premises.
 

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My family stopped using US Bank back in '99-'00, they kept robbing us of our money and covering it up with excuses and bank policies "We are FEDERAL so shaddup!" So it is no surprise (somewhat) illegally barring you from carrying your firearm on their premises.

Except they are not illegally barring anyone from carrying a firearm. They are well within their rights as a property owner to restrict firearms from their premises.
 
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