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    Campus Carry passes out of Senate - March 14th‏

    The vote was 21 to 7 with 2 Senators not voting:
    http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....7.sthird.1.asp .

    From here it will be sent to the House.

    Whoohoo!

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    Wasn't your campus carry bill gutted to exclude buildings on campus?
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    Yes, it was gutted.

    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    I'm working on an AzCDL alert about this that will go out later today.

    This is a glass half-empty or half-full scenario. In order to get support, the bill was amended to allow anyone to carry on any public right-of-way on a campus, which is more than just sidewalks.

    It's not everything we want, but we can support it. Remember, Constitutional Carry started with a small change to the CCW laws 5 years ago. We're in it for the long haul. In the case of Campus Carry, we have nothing under current law. Right now, only criminals can carry on campus. With SB 1467, anyone can carry in the public areas. That's an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    Wasn't your campus carry bill gutted to exclude buildings on campus?
    Hopefully, you'll do better in Nevada.

    What's spooking legislators here is the full onslaught by the Brady Center after the Tucson shooting. Shifting the langauge to public areas raised the level of legislator support, knocked the wheels off the opposition, and still gives us more than a nose under the tent.

    Also, Campus Carry is just one of many good gun bills this year.

    Fred
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    I have a question about this. In handgunlaw.us's excellent PDF, the definition of "school" for CC purposes is "kindergarten, common school, or high school". Is "common school" being interpreted to include college campuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    I have a question about this. In handgunlaw.us's excellent PDF, the definition of "school" for CC purposes is "kindergarten, common school, or high school". Is "common school" being interpreted to include college campuses?
    The definitions of school and campus varies from state to state. There are no universal defintions when it comes to state laws. I would not use anything but Arizona state law as a resource.

    In Arizona, ARS 13-3102 covers K-12 (you can't carry) and "campus" doesn't include K-12. Those are "schools."

    College and universities are covered under a different set of statutes that allow the governing board autonomy to do whatever they want when it comes to guns. Campus Carry in Arizona is all about curtailing that authority of the governing boards.

    And the word "campus" in Campus Carry is not a legal definition. It's something that was dreamed up (marketing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    The definitions of school and campus varies from state to state. There are no universal defintions when it comes to state laws. I would not use anything but Arizona state law as a resource.
    I was referencing their Arizona-specific PDF, which mentions the Board of Regents rules, but doesn't say what exception to ARS 13-3108 (preemption) allows to Board to regulate firearms possession. Is the Board saying it's not a "political subdivision" and therefore preemption doesn't apply to it? I'm not sure it would matter, though. Even if colleges were subject to preemption couldn't they always just put up a "no firearms" sign since Arizona gives them force of law? You'd need to strip signs of legal force, like Florida does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    I was referencing their Arizona-specific PDF, which mentions the Board of Regents rules, but doesn't say what exception to ARS 13-3108 (preemption) allows to Board to regulate firearms possession. Is the Board saying it's not a "political subdivision" and therefore preemption doesn't apply to it? I'm not sure it would matter, though. Even if colleges were subject to preemption couldn't they always just put up a "no firearms" sign since Arizona gives them force of law? You'd need to strip signs of legal force, like Florida does.
    Colleges and universities don't fall under ARS 13-3108.

    ARS 13-2911.D gives the governing boards carte blanche to do as they wish when it comes to guns and "public order" on campus.

    Since you are anergized by this, next time we're running a Campus Carry bill, come on down to the Arizona Capitol and testify. Every voice helps.

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    Thumbs up Pro freedom??

    FWIW when I was going back to college in 1995-96 I frequently CCed on campus. The way I saw it at the time some laws are begging to be broken. This plus the fact I did a bit of politicing that seemed to counter the 1st and 2nd amendments usage at this particular school. If you were for the environment, gay rights and other silliness you could do pretty much anything you wanted. If you were PRO FREEDOM there were MANY RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. My attitude then as now....screw the restricters of FREEDOM!!

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