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    Question Jogging and open carry?

    Hello! Just some brief information about myself, I'm 20 years old, in the Army Reserves, married to an Active Duty soldier, and have a 6 month old son. We're stationed at Fort Bragg but live in Fayetteville...

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    I often go jogging with my son in a jogging stroller around my neighborhood. Being that I am under 21, I cannot acquire a CC permit. After being followed by a vehicle a few weeks ago while running with my son, I have been wary to go out running again while unarmed. I live in a very nice part of the city (nice being a relative term given that it IS Fayetteville), but residents have in the past fallen victim to violence as a result of gang initiations. Last Spring a man who lives down the road from me while jumped for a gang initiation and severely injured. I especially do not want to go running unarmed while my son is with me, as I feel as though having a baby with me screams, "Target!"

    I have found some recommendations for CC jogging holsters, but can't find many suggestions for open carry.

    In addition, any other generalized suggestions in regards to open carry are greatly appreciated. Going out in Fayetteville with an infant and all that it entails (car seats, turning my back to parking lots to strap him in, etc etc), exercising my right to open carry would provide me with some much needed security.

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    While you did not say what model handgun you might be carrying, I personally have a strong preference for the Serpa belt slide holster - excellent retention and very fast presentation. Good choice for jogging.

    BTW - part of the benefit of OCing is the visual deterrent.
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    Just out of curiousity is there on base housing? If so, are they nice or crappy?

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    Grapeshot- Its a Bersa Thunder .380...a belt holster does seem like the easiest of choices, though I'm not sure what the best type of belt would be to wear with jogging shorts.

    usamarshal- There is housing on post, its quality varies greatly depending on your rank, family size, and how long of a waiting list you want to be stuck on. Nicer neighborhoods tend to have insane waiting lists. Crime on post is relatively bad in my opinion. Last year there was a serial rapist attacking women who were home alone (turned out to be a soldier), and in my husband's old barracks a guy was beaten and robbed at gunpoint when he opened the door to his room.
    Not to mention the infant death drama going on: http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/...77100?sac=Home
    I recommend off post housing, personally. Though that could backfire if you don't know the area and end up in the wrong spot.

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    Jesus...what the hell happened to that place?

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    Perhaps a shoulder holster?

    Also, is it a possibility to put a holster on the stroller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3atthis View Post
    Grapeshot- Its a Bersa Thunder .380...a belt holster does seem like the easiest of choices, though I'm not sure what the best type of belt would be to wear with jogging shorts.

    usamarshal- There is housing on post,
    I would recommend a rigger/instructors belt like the 5.11 belts. the plastic buckle ones are more economical and will do you fine for your purpose.

    http://www.opticsplanet.net/511-tact...Fc885QoduWs4EQ

    Are you living on post? That will likely be a deal breaker right there - doubt that they will permit you to jog with a handgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3atthis View Post
    Grapeshot- Its a Bersa Thunder .380...a belt holster does seem like the easiest of choices, though I'm not sure what the best type of belt would be to wear with jogging shorts.usamarshal- There is housing on post, its quality varies greatly depending on your rank, family size, and how long of a waiting list you want to be stuck on. Nicer neighborhoods tend to have insane waiting lists. Crime on post is relatively bad in my opinion. Last year there was a serial rapist attacking women who were home alone (turned out to be a soldier), and in my husband's old barracks a guy was beaten and robbed at gunpoint when he opened the door to his room.
    Not to mention the infant death drama going on: http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/...77100?sac=Home
    I recommend off post housing, personally. Though that could backfire if you don't know the area and end up in the wrong spot.
    You weren't issued a bright yellow PT belt? I OC jogged around my nieghborhood in PT shorts with the belt no problem.

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    sultan62-That's actually a really good idea, I had considered it. It's a BOB Revolution and besides the frame its primarily canvas so it may be a little tricky, but worth attempting at a minimum.

    Grapeshot- I live off post in Fayetteville.

    CDT Cox- Did the PT belt provide enough security to handle the weight without mass amounts of jostling and flying up and down?

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    So I was thinking about it some more...would an ankle holster be a decent idea?

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    This is my old rig that I used when I lived in Fayetteville...




    Just kidding... Get a blackhawk serpa and find a good, secure way to mount it.. . close and quick to grab...
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    muccione,

    I lived in Fayetteville for 2 years, and your pictures made me short a Wendy's Frosty...

    LOL!

    The bad thing is, such a rig for certain parts of Fayetteghanistan would not be entirely inappropriate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    muccione,

    I lived in Fayetteville for 2 years, and your pictures made me short a Wendy's Frosty...

    LOL!

    The bad thing is, such a rig for certain parts of Fayetteghanistan would not be entirely inappropriate...
    LMAO. That set up is standard practice for my Sunday afternoon strolls on the Murch, figured I'd tone it down a little for the Haymount folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3atthis View Post
    LMAO. That set up is standard practice for my Sunday afternoon strolls on the Murch, figured I'd tone it down a little for the Haymount folks.
    Parts of Haymont are scary too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by muccione View Post
    This is my old rig that I used when I lived in Fayetteville...




    Just kidding... Get a blackhawk serpa and find a good, secure way to mount it.. . close and quick to grab...
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    lol

    That's a sweet rig for sure!

    x3atthis, welcome to the forum. I live in this town too and it's a good idea to be ready for anything.

    I'm thinking like sultan and my answer would be to rig something up in the stroller somewhere, out of reach of little hands of course. You wouldn't have that floppy brick bouncing all around messing with your stride, and it would be there right where you needed it too.

    Just make sure it's visible if you don't have your CHP. Good luck, and stay safe out there.

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    muccione- The parts of "Haymount" that are scary are falsely claiming the Haymount name. I follow a strict Haymount parameter policy...from General Lee Park to Cape Fear Avenue, with a careful distance from the Blvd. maintained. Now Oakridge? Kinda scary. Glenville? Terrifying. The neighborhood tucked inbetween General Lee Park and Bragg Blvd? Definitively scary.

    rotorhead- When rigging to the stroller, would it be considered concealed if it was on the back of the stroller, so essentially in between myself and the stroller?

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    I couldn't see an ankle hoster working for jogging with the impact of your feet whle jogging but a secure hip holster or shoulder rig I would think would work better, especially with a little .380. One idea that I would mention is to be sure you change up your route and what times you jog so as to not have a consistent jogging schedule just in case someone is trying to learn your routine. Good luck and be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x3atthis View Post
    muccione- The parts of "Haymount" that are scary are falsely claiming the Haymount name. I follow a strict Haymount parameter policy...from General Lee Park to Cape Fear Avenue, with a careful distance from the Blvd. maintained. Now Oakridge? Kinda scary. Glenville? Terrifying. The neighborhood tucked inbetween General Lee Park and Bragg Blvd? Definitively scary.

    rotorhead- When rigging to the stroller, would it be considered concealed if it was on the back of the stroller, so essentially in between myself and the stroller?
    Not if it was visible to the public. If anyone could look at the stroller and see it, it's not concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usamarshal View Post
    Just out of curiousity is there on base housing? If so, are they nice or crappy?
    When I lived on post in 1966 it wasn't too bad. You can imagine what it's like now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketdad View Post
    When I lived on post in 1966 it wasn't too bad. You can imagine what it's like now.
    It's the same buildings but with a face lift they got back in the mid-90s. If you peel back the vinyl siding, you'll see the same old brick buildings that were built in the 40s-60s.

    Some housing areas are a bit newer though. Any guess on which ranks gets the newer places?

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    Check out this company (www.grassburr.com) for a holster that can mount to a car or ATV. They have a bracket that can mount to the handle bars on an ATV, so it should mount on the stroller handle. And, the prices are very reasonable. I am not affiliated with this company, just saw a review on youtube that Sootch00 did on one of their holsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorhead View Post
    It's the same buildings but with a face lift they got back in the mid-90s. If you peel back the vinyl siding, you'll see the same old brick buildings that were built in the 40s-60s.

    Some housing areas are a bit newer though. Any guess on which ranks gets the newer places?
    If you're lucky that is. There are some brick townhouses tucked back deep just past (if I'm recalling correctly) the intersection of Gruber and Knox. They seriously look like they're falling apart, the parking are lots running down the streets and each family is only allotted one assigned parking spot, so I guess for all your other cars its a good luck free for all.

    My grandmother lived here off and on during her adolescence because my great-grandfather was stationed here, then she married a soldier and was stationed here with him for some time, so the 60s. She always goes and on and on about how they were small but nice and no one carried that they were small, they were just thankful for the housing, she doesn't understand why military families are complaining about the housing, etc, etc. I told her if I'm going to spend 1000 bucks a month, its not going to be on some ratty two bedroom apartment surrounded by lower enlisted families and couples (because quite frankly, most of them are incredibly immature and lacking in common sense), on a post where the MPs are arguably far worse at their jobs than the FPD. There I go ranting...can you tell I'm not fond of government housing?

    On topic, for simplicity's sake I went ahead and purchased an ankle holster. I most likely won't chamber a round when I run as a precaution because of the impact, and it fits on my bicep just like an armband case for an iPod, so if it jostles too much when I run I can try that, and if that doesn't work go from there. I was looking at the stroller and because it is a high end jogger, its very light (great for jogging, bad for weapon mounting). The weight balance is very sensitive, I can't even use the handlebars to hold a light handbag (with my son in the seat) without it almost tipping backwards. And with its main construction being canvas the only other option I could think of was securing it to the top of the canopy, lying flat. However, then those who are up to no good won't be able to see it and I really want that deterrent factor when I run.

    Though I am thinking about a belly band holster now, I could just wear it over my clothes and it won't be anywhere near as Rambo as a shoulder holster, lol. The BodyGuard by Magills and Desantis Belly Band both look pretty promising, so that will probably be my next route if ankle/arm carry doesn't work out. Finding a well reviewed belly band holster has been a pain...most don't have retention straps since most people use them for CC and they mostly seem to be designed for nearly the entire gun to go inside of. Not very OC friendly, but I finally found a few.

    Thanks for all of your help!

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    Of the forms of carry I've tried, belly bands are my absolute least favorite. However, as they say, different strokes for different folks.
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    Belly bands are hot, uncomfortable and hold sweat to your gun - in warmer weather will most likely need to be laundered daily. Wouldn't even think about wearing one.
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