Valley View Mall

ocholsteroc said:

Looks like a M4 from the picture walking away, you can see the front sight and the muzzle.

Compare.

Either way he was OCing a long rifle, I wonder if he had more than a 20 round magazine? But it appears his face is coverd, which is a felony.
The first picture shows what appears to be a umbrella.

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Forend is puffy like fabric and the end looks more like a cane tip than a flash hider.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/mar/...tures-released-valley-view-mall-gu-ar-907056/

ROANOKE, VA --
5:00 p.m.
Police released a statement saying the person in surveillance video stills has been interviewed, and it has been determined that the object he was carrying was an umbrella, not a rifle.

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Hoplophobes are a pathetically funny and panicky bunch.

Great. How many cop man-hours do you suppose were expended in this little exercise?

Several of our members correctly ID'd the item from the grainy online video. Apparently better than the cops could do with raw footage and their video enhancement software.

carrying was an umbrella

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lol!!!

Now was his face coverd? I couldn't tell.

I don't know and I don't care. Everything about it is a non-issue. Throughout the winter months I've seen plenty of people with their faces covered everyday and the sky didn't fall. Why wonder if he was doing something else illegal and/or against mall policy just because it was proven that he wasn't breaking mall policy on the first accusation?

peter nap said:

If it's a rifle it has a puffy forend.
I vote umbrella.

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:banana::monkey

Curtis said:

I don't know and I don't care. Everything about it is a non-issue. Throughout the winter months I've seen plenty of people with their faces covered everyday and the sky didn't fall. Why wonder if he was doing something else illegal and/or against mall policy just because it was proven that he wasn't breaking mall policy on the first accusation?

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+1

Now, mall owners and Roanoke residents just need to apply heavy pressure to find out who made the report that got a number of businesses shut down during a depression and a heavy police call-out.

And, who in the police chain of command was sending all those police.

Citizen said:

Now, mall owners and Roanoke residents just need to apply heavy pressure to find out who made the report that got a number of businesses shut down during a depression and a heavy police call-out.

And, who in the police chain of command was sending all those police.

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The story stated that a clerk demanded that the mall be evacuated because of a man carrying a rifle.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/mar/...tures-released-valley-view-mall-gu-ar-907056/

It has been confirmed to have been an umbrella.

nuc65 said:

The story stated that a clerk demanded that the mall be evacuated because of a man carrying a rifle.

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Prehaps he should have had his glasses on?

lol... anyone catch the comments in the video from the BWW manager?

t33j said:

lol... anyone catch the comments in the video from the BWW manager?

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link please

ocholsteroc said:

link please

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http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...ey-View-Mall&p=1488435&viewfull=1#post1488435

t33j said:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...ey-View-Mall&p=1488435&viewfull=1#post1488435

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Oh, how dumb I am. lol It was above my post...

The comments are funny.

"This umbrella should be considered armed and dangerous. Lock your doors everyone, we have a large umbrella on the loose"


http://www.valleyviewmall.com/shop/valleyview.nsf/codeofconduct

"Code of Conduct
BEHAVIORAL CODE OF CONDUCT (PDF version)

Welcome

In order to help ensure a pleasant shopping environment, we ask all visitors to refrain from the following:

1. Using obscene language, obscene gestures, or racial, religious or ethnic slurs.
2. Violence, threats of violence, fighting, physical abuse or physically or verbally threatening any person, or hostility of any kind.
3. Annoying others through noisy or boisterous activities, unnecessary staring or following someone through the mall and parking lot.
4. Sexually explicit language or conduct.
5. Yelling, screaming, singing, playing musical instruments, radios or other sound generating equipment or otherwise communicating in a manner which creates noises of sufficient volume to impinge on the hearing or peace of other mall patrons.
6. Standing or stopping on stairs or escalators in such a manner as to impede the flow of pedestrian traffic. Improper use of escalators, elevators or stairs.
7. Running, wrestling, horseplay, skating, skate boarding, rollerblading and/or riding a scooter; or otherwise being disruptive or creating a disturbance, obstructing or interfering with the free flow of pedestrian or vehicular traffic or with patron’s view of doorways,windows, and/or other merchant or mall displays. Bicycles and Segways must be used in accordance with bicycle and vehicle safety rules.
8. Assembling, demonstrating, parading, picketing, marching, walking abreast in groups and/or loitering for the purpose of disturbing the peace or any unlawful purpose, disrupting the shopping enjoyment of customers, or disrupting the intended business use of the mall.
9. Any form of solicitation, sales of products or services, or distributing handbills, leaflets, commercial advertising or promotional material of any kind or offering samples of items, which are sold, available for sale or available in exchange for a donation or contribution
without prior written permission of mall management.
10. Engaging in any act, activity or behavior which by its nature is illegal and/or in violation of any statute, law, rule or ordinance.
11. Attendance of children (under age 18) during school hours unaccompanied by a parent, teacher or legal guardian (excluding school holidays and home schooled students). Unaccompanied children ages 16-17 may produce proof of reduced school hours or completion thereof.
12. Displaying or wearing any item which depicts sexually explicit activity, illegal activity or obscene or offensive language, wearing clothing or lack of clothing that is likely to create a disturbance or embroil others in open conflict or that offends community standards of decency, or that impinges on the sensitivities of others in the mall.
13. Failing to wear shoes and a shirt.
14. Gang activity, including wearing of apparel intended to indicate gang membership or to communicate gang behavior. This includes the use of gang symbols or slogans.
15. Creating litter by discarding paper, glass or other matter of any kind, anywhere except in a trash receptacle.
16. Defacing, damaging, destroying or removing any real or personal property constituting part of or located in or on the mall property.
17. Overnight parking; parking in non-designated parking areas, parking in fire lanes or other no parking areas, erratic or careless driving,exceeding the posted speed limit, or use of a vehicle in manner inconsistent with shopping center traffic markings or signage. Parking violators may be subject to towing at the vehicle owner’s expense.
18. Bringing animals on mall property with the exception of animals in the company of persons trained to assist physically challenged patrons, those animals going to or from pet stores or photography studios or involved in center sponsored events.
19. Sitting anywhere or on anything other than chairs or benches designed for such purposes located in designated areas of the mall or
any improper use of mall amenities.
20. Carrying or displaying weapons of any kind except those carried by certified law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties.21. Being intoxicated and/or possessing or being under the influence of illegal drugs.
22. Possessing any open container of alcohol or consuming alcohol anywhere except in businesses licensed to sell alcoholic beverages.
23. Selling or providing alcohol or tobacco products to underage persons; purchasing alcohol or tobacco products by underage persons.
24. No fishing, swimming, or boating without prior written approval of shopping center management.This list is not all inclusive and may be modified at any time by the management of this mall.
This mall is a smoke-free environment. Smoking is permitted only in designated areas.
Violation of this code of conduct may result in expulsion from this property in addition to any other legal remedies that mall management may choose to exercise.
This shopping center is private property and no rights shall accrue to the public by virtue of the public’s entry into this mall or on mall property.
This “Behavioral Code of Conduct” is not intended to deprive any person of their applicable civil rights or liberties under the law.
If you feel your rights are being violated, please notify the mall management office.

Revised 08/01/07

"

You won't have to remind me not to go to this mall.

ocholsteroc said:

20. Carrying or displaying weapons of any kind except those carried by certified law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties.

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Interesting, as they have this written, even off-duty LEOs are barred from carrying in this mall. I wonder how they feel about this, or if they even bother following the mall's written and published code of conduct.

Having OCed in the JC Penney there and the various restaurants in the parking lot I wonder if the mall thinks its policies apply for the anchor stores and surrounding businesses as well? Given that there is a Dick's Sporting Goods that sells guns, ammo, knives and baseball bats they certainly can't pretend to think that the mall policy applies to anything other than the hallways of the mall itself. Having worked in a JC Penney in high school I can't think of any time that mall security ever tried anything within our store. Heck if there's a Sears in the mall it's packed full of weapons.

And this is one reason why we OC, to educate people that guns are not bad, even in public. It does not surprise me the ignorance of some people.

I bet a Muslim woman could have walked in with her face completely covered and carrying an AK-47 under her burka, and no one would have dared to say anything about it, assuming that they would even be aware of it.

But ... a man with an umbrella arrives and they go to DEFCON ONE.

Is that profiling? You decide.