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mudvr1212

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http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billintroduced/House/htm/2011-HIB-4439.htm

HOUSE BILL No. 4439


March 15, 2011, Introduced by Reps. Bauer and Meadows and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled

"The Michigan penal code,"

by amending section 234d (MCL 750.234d), as amended by 1994 PA 158.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:​

Sec. 234d. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person

shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the

following:

(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or

affiliate of a depository financial institution.

(b) A church or other house of religious worship.

(c) A court.

(d) A theatre.

(e) A sports arena.



(f) A day care center.

(g) A hospital.

(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor

control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of

1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws

code, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303.

(i) A public library as defined in section 2 of 1977 PA 89,

MCL 397.552.

(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an

entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that

firearm is to provide security services for that entity.

(b) A peace officer.

(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry

a concealed weapon.

(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an

entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the

permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a

misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or

a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.



and then

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billintroduced/House/htm/2011-HIB-4438.htm

HOUSE BILL No. 4438


March 15, 2011, Introduced by Reps. Bauer and Meadows and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled

"An act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing,
possessing, and carrying of certain firearms and gas ejecting
devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying of certain
firearms and gas ejecting devices without a license or other
authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of firearms under
certain circumstances; to provide for penalties and remedies; to
provide immunity from civil liability under certain circumstances;
to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local
agencies; to prohibit certain conduct against individuals who apply
for or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to make
appropriations; to prescribe certain conditions for the
appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts of acts
inconsistent with this act,"

by amending section 5o (MCL 28.425o), as amended by 2008 PA 407.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:​

Sec. 5o. (1) Subject to subsection (4), an individual licensed

under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from

licensure under section 12a(1)(f), 12a(1)(h), shall not carry a



concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:

(a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal

guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying

a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or

she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the

child from the school. As used in this section, "school" and

"school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of

the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

(b) A public or private child care center or day care center,

public or private child caring institution, or public or private

child placing agency.

(c) A sports arena or stadium.

(d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control

code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the

primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic

liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision

does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The

Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available

to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of

1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign

stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying

concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment

licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA

58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the

sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by

an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of

1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce




this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of

information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

(e) Any property or facility owned or operated by a church,

synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the

presiding official or officials of the church, synagogue, mosque,

temple, or other place of worship permit the carrying of concealed

pistol on that property or facility.

(f) An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500

or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a

seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign

above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch

high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals.

(g) A hospital.

(h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college,

or university.

(i) A public library as defined in section 2 of 1977 PA 89,

MCL 397.552.

(2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed

pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f),

12a(1)(h), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R

432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code

promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996

IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.

(3) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include

parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:

(a) An individual licensed under this act who is a retired




police officer or retired law enforcement officer. The concealed

weapon licensing board may require a letter from the law

enforcement agency stating that the retired police officer or law

enforcement officer retired in good standing.

(b) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is

employed or contracted by an entity described under subsection (1)

to provide security services and is required by his or her employer

or the terms of a contract to carry a concealed firearm on the

premises of the employing or contracting entity.

(c) An individual who is licensed as a private investigator or

private detective under the professional investigator licensure

act, 1965 PA 285, MCL 338.821 to 338.851.

(d) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a

corrections officer of a county sheriff's department.

(e) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a

motor carrier officer or capitol security officer of the department

of state police.

(f) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a

member of a sheriff's posse.

(g) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is an

auxiliary officer or reserve officer of a police or sheriff's

department.

(h) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a

parole or probation officer of the department of corrections.

(i) A state court judge or state court retired judge who is

licensed under this act. The concealed weapon licensing board may

require a state court retired judge to obtain and carry a letter




from the judicial tenure commission stating that the state court

retired judge is in good standing as authorized under section 30 of

article VI of the state constitution of 1963, and rules promulgated

under that section, in order to qualify under this subdivision.

(5) An individual who violates this section is responsible for

a state civil infraction or guilty of a crime as follows:

(a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c), the

individual is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be

fined not more than $500.00. The court shall order the individual's

license to carry a concealed pistol suspended for 6 months.

(b) For a second violation, the individual is guilty of a

misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000.00. The

court shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed

pistol revoked.

(c) For a third or subsequent violation, the individual is

guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4

years or a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both. The court

shall order the individual's license to carry a concealed pistol

revoked.


Obviously they still don't get the legality of CPL open carrying in these places, so it isn't going to solve their "problem." :banghead:
 

xmanhockey7

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All these 2 bills would do is require a CPL holders to open carry in libraries and isn't that what they don't want?
 
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Bikenut

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These bills pit CC'er against OC'ers in a typical ... assign blame in order to divide and conquer... way. The CC'ers will look upon the OC'ers as being the cause of yet another gun control law.

But what most folks won't understand is that these bills are a method of hiding the actual agenda of slowly and incrementally reducing the right to bear arms to the licensed privilege to carry concealed and getting the CC'ers to help get it done. And then, when that is accomplished, the "privilege" will be taken away by ever more restrictive conditions to be met to qualify for the license and POOF! ...... all guns are banned without having to ban all guns.

Never forget the anti's are tireless, patient, and have an eye on the long term goal of getting rid of guns one small bite out of the 2nd Amendment at a time.
 

Glock9mmOldStyle

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Ding! Ding! WE HAVE A WINNER..Spot on Bikenut could of put it better myself Sir ;)

OOOPS meant "couldn't have" above ....sorry :(

These bills pit CC'er against OC'ers in a typical ... assign blame in order to divide and conquer... way. The CC'ers will look upon the OC'ers as being the cause of yet another gun control law.

But what most folks won't understand is that these bills are a method of hiding the actual agenda of slowly and incrementally reducing the right to bear arms to the licensed privilege to carry concealed and getting the CC'ers to help get it done. And then, when that is accomplished, the "privilege" will be taken away by ever more restrictive conditions to be met to qualify for the license and POOF! ...... all guns are banned without having to ban all guns.

Never forget the anti's are tireless, patient, and have an eye on the long term goal of getting rid of guns one small bite out of the 2nd Amendment at a time.

Next time we meet all the Mt. Dew you can drink is on me. Thanks for this post, as it makes it crystal clear what we are up against here!
 
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Tucker6900

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Messages
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Location
Iowa, USA
These bills pit CC'er against OC'ers in a typical ... assign blame in order to divide and conquer... way. The CC'ers will look upon the OC'ers as being the cause of yet another gun control law.

But what most folks won't understand is that these bills are a method of hiding the actual agenda of slowly and incrementally reducing the right to bear arms to the licensed privilege to carry concealed and getting the CC'ers to help get it done. And then, when that is accomplished, the "privilege" will be taken away by ever more restrictive conditions to be met to qualify for the license and POOF! ...... all guns are banned without having to ban all guns.

Never forget the anti's are tireless, patient, and have an eye on the long term goal of getting rid of guns one small bite out of the 2nd Amendment at a time.

I agree with everything you said except the numerous statements saying that it is a privilege. It is not a privilege. It is a right bestowed onto us by the Bill Of Right.
 

Venator

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I agree with everything you said except the numerous statements saying that it is a privilege. It is not a privilege. It is a right bestowed onto us by the Bill Of Right.

I suggest your reread it. He uses privilege sarcastically and in quotes. He knows it's a right, but others often use privilege, which no true 2A support believes.
 
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Bikenut

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I agree with everything you said except the numerous statements saying that it is a privilege. It is not a privilege. It is a right bestowed onto us by the Bill Of Right.
Yes, you are correct, bearing arms in any manner... openly or concealed... is our right but... under the current system in order to legally bear pistol concealed we must ask permission to be given a permit. Which means that at this point in time the right to bear arms concealed is illegal unless one has been given the "privilege" of a "permit".

And one way to ban the carrying of guns is to make open carry illegal and concealed carry legal only with a permit.

Then it is easy to make it harder and harder to qualify for a permit until no ordinary citizen could possibly qualify.....

and no one can legally carry a pistol......

It's a one step at a time approach to banning guns without actually banning guns.

And once bearing arms is illegal it is easy to round up anyone who dares exercise their right to bear arms and put them in prison.

Back door gun control.

heheehe... prison and back door... I made a funny.:lol: But the concept contained within that funny is very appropriate.
 

stainless1911

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They arent going to move on the antis social issues either. They are likely going to do something though, we have our side introduced, now they have their agenda on the table. The legislature is going to have to make a decision of some sort.
 
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