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    So I went to the York County YMCA last night...

    Around 7:45 last night my family and I went to the YMCA in York County and I was Virginia tuckin my P11.
    We stood in line at the check in desk for a few minutes, waiting to scan our membership cards. Then we went to the Family locker room as we have been doing since 2008,during which I have never had a problem or question about my weapon, ever.

    While in the locker room, getting our swimming attire on, a young man named Josh comes into the locker room and asked me if I had a pistol with me, I answered yes. He then informed me of the YMCA policy of not allowing ANY type of weapons or anything that could be potentially used as a weapon into the facility; and asked me to put my gun in my vehicle. I informed him that I was about to lock it up in a locker with a high security, cut resistant lock, and that I have been carrying in there for years with no problems.

    Being the smart a$$ that I am sometimes, I asked him about ball point pens, penciles and padlocks, since either of those are POTENTIALLY weapons, he said he needed to talk to his supervisor. A few minutes later he came back with another employee, and stated that his supervisor needed to speak with me up front.

    So I went up front and spoke with Allison, a not all together unattractive woman, that asked me to speak with her in her office. I complied and followed her into her office. She proceeded to tell me that the YMCA has always had a policy against any type of potential weapon being carried into their facility. I told her that I had been carrying in there for a few years now, and had spent time chatting with several other supervisors and employees while open carrying, and had never been advised of this policy, or even had my weapon brought up in conversation.

    Allison then proceeded to tell me that nobody must had ever seen it, although in warmer months I carry in my hip holster, which is far more noticable than my IWB holster. I asked her if the YMCA would take responsibility for me and my family's safety while we walked through the more isolated and darker parts of their parking lot, she said "No".

    She then said that they are only concered about the members and that by banning weapons they were helping to stop people from getting hurt, if a "person off the street came into the facility to harm others". I then asked her how disarming the members would protect them from a violent criminal coming into the facility looking to harm their members. She said "I'm not going to argue with you about this", to which I replied "I'm not arguing, simply asking a valid question".

    But she was not to be reasoned with and still requested that I removed my gun from their facilty. So I left her office, went to the pool area and retrieved my family and went back to the locker room for changing our clothes, again. As we left the building my wife stopped at the front desk to cancel our membership, and I continued to our vehicle to strap in the kids.

    Apparently while I was waiting for my wife in our van, a York County deputy showed up in the building, because a call had come in, that a man with a gun was refusing to leave the facility. The deputy approached my wife and "hung" around her until she was done with her paperwork and then proceeded to escort her out the door. He told her about the call dispatch had gotten. My wife told the deputy what really happened, and he seemed to instantly relax a little, according to her. Where we were parked I did not have a good visual of her coming out, and I totally missed the deputy. She did tell me that he did not put his hands on her or anything, and was very polite, once she told him how it all really went down, even going as far as complaing about the YMCA and other local businesses with this stupid policy.

    Then we came home. But I am curious. If Allison had in fact lied about my actions, did she infact lie to LE, and committ a crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Then we came home. But I am curious. If Allison had in fact lied about my actions, did she infact lie to LE, and committ a crime?
    Sorry for the problem Pagan. YMCA is notorious for being anti.

    Yes, if she had lied she could have been charged. That's why it's always best to just say, I'm not going to discuss it without my lawyer.

    OTOH, if I was inclined to assume a police officer was honest and professional anywhere in the state, it would be in York County.

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    For whatever reason I joined our local YMCA knowing that they had a weapons prohibition. After a bit of non-use and soul pondering I decided it was not a valid use of my money to support an organization that claims to be family friendly but expects families to have no means to protect themself in a facility that did nothing to offer any sort of protection measures. I had read your comments or other's comments about carrying in YMCAs and wondered why the YMCA had different rules. I will never again contribute my time or energy to this organization despite having spent many hours as a youngster in YMCA pools, baseball fields and basketball courts. Any organization that is going to make a claim to being family friendly or further goes to spout Judeo-Christian ethics had better step up to the plate and ensure people are able to protect their greatest blessing from God: Their own life.

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    The YMCA announced last year I think that they were "re-branding" themselves (their term) as "The Y" I should think as an effort to be more "hip" and distance themselves from their original purpose as an outreach ministry for young men including sailors and merchantmen. They make their Christian principles foundation known through one sentence in the smallest and lightest font on a white screen at the very bottom of their webpage. Other reference to it is scarce if at all. I too noticed their weapons issue in their printed membership material.

    They made themselves irrelevant to us in doing so, and my wife has since joined a better gym with better and more equipment and better hours (for less money), and I use the facilities on base. If you're willing to abandon your principles (and keep me defenseless as well), then I have no need to give you my money. We canceled our membership back in the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    If Allison had in fact lied about my actions, did she infact lie to LE, and committ a crime?
    The phone call to the police should be easily FOIAable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Sorry for the problem Pagan. YMCA is notorious for being anti.

    Yes, if she had lied she could have been charged. That's why it's always best to just say, I'm not going to discuss it without my lawyer.

    OTOH, if I was inclined to assume a police officer was honest and professional anywhere in the state, it would be in York County.

    OOPS! Sorry, I thought you were talking about your wife,,,

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    Last I checked my firearm was not illegal.


    YMCA Code of Conduct:
    At the YMCA, we expect staff, members and guests to behave in accordance with our mission and values at all times, respecting the rights and dignity of others. We demonstrate Caring, Honesty, Respect, Responsibility and Faith by:


    Dressing appropriately, speaking in respectful tones and refraining from the use of vulgar or derogatory language.
    Resolving conflicts in a respectful, honest and caring manner. Never resorting to physical contact or threatening gestures.
    Respecting others by refraining from intimate behavior in public; abstaining from contact of a sexual nature.
    Respecting the property of others; never engaging in theft or destruction.
    Creating a safe, caring environment; never carrying illegal firearms or devices.
    Participating in programs to build a healthy spirit, mind and body; never engaging in the use, sale, dispensing or possession of illegal drugs or narcotics, or the unsanctioned use of alcohol on YMCA premises.

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    Is there a Gym or fitness club anywhere in the area that will allow open carry, or even Concealed carry if you are not a LEO? I doubt it............
    The difference in between being a citizen and a subject is the right to keep and bear arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf-father View Post
    Last I checked my firearm was not illegal.
    Creating a safe, caring environment; never carrying illegal firearms or devices.
    My firearms were either born in this country or acquired residency through proper legal channels.

    No problems here!
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    Only "guns" I know that are "illgeal" are machine guns unregistered and guns that are reported stolen.

    Drop your membership if they are going be anti-gun.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    The applications clearly state no weapons allowed.

    At the bottom of the SAME PAGE it states that the YMCA urges everyone to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY.



    I only joined because It is the only gym in west point, and they gave me low income rates. (I pay $10/mo)

    I go often. I don't use the locker room as it is 2min from the house, so I don't carry inside.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Then we came home. But I am curious. If Allison had in fact lied about my actions, did she infact lie to LE, and committ a crime?
    FOIA, the 911 call.....

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    Since when is it illegal to lie to the cops?
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    Since when is it illegal to lie to the cops?
    http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-461.HTM

    Filing a false report is the crime.
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