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    I was stopped by a LEO this morning.......

    I was walking my two little dogs this morning at Bloedel Donovan Park as I do three times a day. I saw a LEO (turned out to be Border Patrol) trying to get into the park bathrooms, we were about 100 meters away and he did not see us. We continued our walk. As we were walking across the parking lot, I heard him start up and drive my way. He came up from behind me, slowed down and opened his window............

    He: Good Morning Sir.
    me: Good morning Officer.
    He: Are you doing OK this morning?
    me: I'm getting by, How about you?
    he: How long have you been Open Carrying?
    me: Since I got up this morning.
    he: (a chuckle) Nice to see it, more people should.
    me: This is not a peaceful area.
    he: Really?, it seems quiet.
    me: Gangs activity within a mile, a recent drive by, a stabbing at the park a half mile away. You know, usual stuff.
    he: you be safe Sir.
    me: You too Officer.

    cool

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    We need to have moreLEO's like that instead of the ones that stop you at gun point because they think you" might comit a crime" like what happened to Mr. John T Williams may he R.I.P.
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    Wow! That's awesome.

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    How long have you been open carrying?

    Since I got up this morning.

    lol That's an awesome response. Love it! And great encounter too. We need more of those guys.

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    I like the wording he used, "open carry" that is the word we coined.

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    Did you get a badge number or name?

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    I'd send him a card. I wish all cops had common sense.
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    Did not get a name or ID. He did not ask me, I showed the same courtesy. He was, 5'10" caucasion male, 185lb, short hair, appx 28-34 years, clean shaven wearing a green battle dress w/black weapons platform. He was driving a White w/green Border Patrol SUV. Very well mannered. Could have been because I am old tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Did not get a name or ID. He did not ask me, I showed the same courtesy. He was, 5'10" caucasion male, 185lb, short hair, appx 28-34 years, clean shaven wearing a green battle dress w/black weapons platform. He was driving a White w/green Border Patrol SUV. Very well mannered. Could have been because I am old tho.
    I think I met that guy, the border patrol guys seem to be all on board, I have several that are neighbors, they all are pretty cool. (except the one convicted for "rape" of the 14 yr. old living with him). They never had anything negative no looks or anything about OC. I do believe many LEO monitor these threads.

    Oh yea and boulevard park can be a very very bad park to be at especially unarmed.
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    FYI, Border Patrol are federal agents with law enforcement powers, but I don't think any state gives them dual authority. So, unless they're enforcing immigration laws, they have no general authority to enforce laws -- none at all when it comes to state laws.

    I only mention this because it wasn't really a LEO encounter when it comes to open carry -- he's got zero authority over you carrying a gun.

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    How sweet is that. I wish it could go so well all over the country. LEO's should know we are just law abiding citizens who try to ease their problems for detering a would be criminal from victimizing us. Great encounter.

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    He prolly didnt harass you because you didnt say "eh" at the end of every sentance. So unless you were wearing a turbin and a shirt saying "Kill the Infidels" you prolly werent illegal. Good to know he had a sense of humor. Now if only the police at the mexican border had a sense of humor....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    SNIP
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    me: This is not a peaceful area.
    he: Really?, it seems quiet.
    me: Gangs activity within a mile, a recent drive by, a stabbing at the park a half mile away. You know, usual stuff...
    Ideal Cop: "Oh, then you should be carrying an AR or SMG back-up gun." (Oops. Off-topic.)
    Last edited by Citizen; 03-20-2011 at 01:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    FYI, Border Patrol are federal agents with law enforcement powers, but I don't think any state gives them dual authority. So, unless they're enforcing immigration laws, they have no general authority to enforce laws -- none at all when it comes to state laws.

    I only mention this because it wasn't really a LEO encounter when it comes to open carry -- he's got zero authority over you carrying a gun.
    I am pretty sure any Federal LEO can enforce state or local laws if they are violated in their presence. I will try to cite a source in a bit.

    For example, if an off duty FBI agent is at an ATM during the time of a bank robbery, I believe he can still make an arrest (non citizens) and bring in the proper jurisdiction in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1124 View Post
    I am pretty sure any Federal LEO can enforce state or local laws if they are violated in their presence. I will try to cite a source in a bit.

    For example, if an off duty FBI agent is at an ATM during the time of a bank robbery, I believe he can still make an arrest (non citizens) and bring in the proper jurisdiction in the meantime.
    A "Citizen's Arrest under Color of Law" would be one method.

    ANYONE can perform a Citizen's Arrest, including Federal Officers in circumstances you described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    He prolly didnt harass you because you didnt say "eh" at the end of every sentance. So unless you were wearing a turbin and a shirt saying "Kill the Infidels" you prolly werent illegal. Good to know he had a sense of humor. Now if only the police at the mexican border had a sense of humor....
    is it jsut me, or is this statement bothering to anyone else?

    can we stop with all the stereotypical BS with regards to nationality & religion....a turban alone does not make one suspect.

    this kind of **** is one of the reason I frequent this place less and less...I sure as hell don't want to be associated with a group who thinks that the "non-whites" are the reason for troubles & the ones to be watched

    <stepping off my soap box now>

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jeffro7 View Post
    is it jsut me, or is this statement bothering to anyone else?

    can we stop with all the stereotypical BS with regards to nationality & religion....a turban alone does not make one suspect.

    this kind of **** is one of the reason I frequent this place less and less...I sure as hell don't want to be associated with a group who thinks that the "non-whites" are the reason for troubles & the ones to be watched

    <stepping off my soap box now>
    +1

    It get's very old that people lower themselves to stereotyping race, nationality, religion, et al instead of dealing with actual behaviors and choices. Even when done in jest or with sarcasm they are demeaning and arrogant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    He prolly didnt harass you because you didnt say "eh" at the end of every sentance. So unless you were wearing a turbin and a shirt saying "Kill the Infidels" you prolly werent illegal. Good to know he had a sense of humor. Now if only the police at the mexican border had a sense of humor....
    Or, No comprende, Habla Espaniol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jeffro7 View Post
    a turban alone does not make one suspect.
    Not to mention, those who wear turbans as part of their religion are among our strongest allies.

    Hint: they're also required as an article of faith to carry knives at all times, but to never draw it from its sheath unless drawing blood is justified.

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    I work with and for a lot of guys that wear turbans and carry the knives.

    Most have a great sense of humor and wouldn't have found much offense in the comments posted in jest. I also have much family that isn't "white", and you should hear the jokes they say.......

    We have a strong proponent of OC who happens to be from that culture. I miss Manu my paji I should give him a call one of these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    A "Citizen's Arrest under Color of Law" would be one method.

    ANYONE can perform a Citizen's Arrest, including Federal Officers in circumstances you described.
    Yes, but I didn't mean a citizens arrest. I meant an arrest by a law enforcement officer, and if I remember correctly, it depends on the state.

    Feds can enforce local laws, depending on the state. It has to be written into law by that state, and each state is different. I'll see what I can dig up for WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5jeffro7 View Post
    is it jsut me, or is this statement bothering to anyone else?

    can we stop with all the stereotypical BS with regards to nationality & religion....a turban alone does not make one suspect.

    this kind of **** is one of the reason I frequent this place less and less...I sure as hell don't want to be associated with a group who thinks that the "non-whites" are the reason for troubles & the ones to be watched

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    #1 I think you folks stopped reading and missed the shirt part as part of the description. NOT turban alone!

    #2 You dont know me so you cant be associated with me.

    #3 I have more non-white associates then white ones. tbh most of the "white" people I know think too highly of themselves and judge anyone who doesnt live 100% legal. I grew up in some of the most Ghetto parts of washington as well as California. Some of this forums description of what a BG is offends me. But I realize that regardless of what I think that person has had some experience in their life that causes them to think that way.

    #4 you REALLY need to check yourself before you try to call someone out for something. If I had said white guy with wife beater shirt and denim overalls with only 1 tooth I bet you wouldnt have been offended. If your gonna be all PC be PC 100% of the time. DIdnt hear anyone stick up for the "eh" canadians either... Be consistant or get off my case!

    Now I will let it go...
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    Where's the Stop?

    Sorry, I was slow and didn't notice til just now.

    Where's the involuntary aspect that makes this a "stop" according to the thread title?

    An encounter is not necessarily a stop. A stop is involuntary: detention, detainment, Terry Stop, stop--all mean the same thing.

    The OP sounds like a consensual encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Sorry, I was slow and didn't notice til just now.

    Where's the involuntary aspect that makes this a "stop" according to the thread title?

    An encounter is not necessarily a stop. A stop is involuntary: detention, detainment, Terry Stop, stop--all mean the same thing.

    The OP sounds like a consensual encounter.
    I don't think he meant an official stop, although that is what I had originally assumed when reading the title before the story.

    I think he meant it as a figure of speech like if he said "Canadian that said eh and was wearing a turban stopped me this morning, to ask ......... "
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron1124 View Post
    Yes, but I didn't mean a citizens arrest. I meant an arrest by a law enforcement officer, and if I remember correctly, it depends on the state.

    Feds can enforce local laws, depending on the state. It has to be written into law by that state, and each state is different. I'll see what I can dig up for WA.
    Washington does not appear to have any special authorization for Federal Officers, absent which Fed's are prohibited from arresting for State Law violations.

    This is pretty much the situation with Native Tribal Police. Up until recently, tribal police could not formally arrest a non Indian on their reservations, they could merely perform a essentially a citizen's arrest and then hold for local enforcement. Rather than call it a citizen's arrest with the attached liability, they merely detained the party.

    Now we have selected tribal police departments, those who have qualified under State Law, able to arrest on their own any non-Indian that is violating a law without waiting for another agency to arrive.

    Feds can detain and wait or perform a Citizen's Arrest under Color of Law. Really doesn't matter as if they say you aren't going anywhere, you aren't.
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