77zach
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I'm going to trust my attorney, who is a specialist in Florida firearms law and CWFL instructor, on this one. Best to not be in the bar area.
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better safe than sorry!
I'm going to trust my attorney, who is a specialist in Florida firearms law and CWFL instructor, on this one. Best to not be in the bar area.
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Sean, the time it took to run out to the car, stow your weapon, return, and go to the men's room to dry off was probably less than if you'd have just gone to the men's room to being with and stared at yourself in the mirror or washed your hands a few times, or taken a (reference deleted for propriety's sake). You are correct as to what both Patrick has said and what the statute says. However I recall seeing comments from a state attorney that unless you were sitting at the bar proper, the case would be very difficult to prosecute, especially since in your case you hadn't had a drop to drink at that point. And, had you been arrested and charged, you lawyer would be negligent if he didn't introduce the fact that you were directed there temporarily by restaurant staff, as opposed to being there of your own volition.
Agreed.
Regardless it's a very stupid law. I don't think it would be difficult to repeal as long as the carrier cannot drink while at a "bar."
I would not support such a stipulation.
Because some knucklehead wants to go clubbing while carrying a firearm is not a reason to deprive me of the ability to enjoy a good glass of wine or lager during my meal, regardless if I'm sitting at the 'bar' or at a table in the restaurant. Why shouldn't I be able to go to a 'bar' with some friends to shoot pool and have a couple of cold ones?
Right now, it's perfectly legal to be snot-slinging drunk and carry (not smart, but legal). Have there been any issues with this? Nope.
Beware unintended consequences.
I don't support any species of "gun control." The political reality is another matter. Our rulers are not freedom lovers and they are not rational. A girl was killed by an underage drunk kid off campus with a long gun and so we can't have sober 21 years old with permits carrying on campus. This is what we're up against.
I understand full-well what we're up against.
I simply would not support adding one restriction to remove another, and there is absolutely no reason to offer that up (no drinking while carrying) from the get-go.
Adding a new restriction would be a bone headed move. That won't be allowed to fly in any bill we support.
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"Right now, it's perfectly legal to be snot-slinging drunk and carry (not smart, but legal). Have there been any issues with this? Nope."
Oh, rly? lol. Be sure to check in with your nearest Trauma Center on any given weekend night.Tonite, for example would be an excellent one. Just because every incident that happens doesnt show up on the evening news, doesnt mean they dont happen.Over the years that I worked in one,we saw, almost nightly the "issues" with this. Esp. from these urban "hip hop" clubs, and the clubs around the college campuses. On avg? sometimes as many as 4 per night.
Dont kid yourselves ,folks.Yes, YOU might be that ultra-mature individual who can handle his booze AND his gun. But the hothead 10' away who turns into a nasty drunk after a bottle or glass or two of liquid macho?:banghead: :banghead:
Surprisingly, roughly half of them. Ya, that threw me for a loop, myself. But having a permit/otherwise being "lawful" does not preclude one from being a Darwin Awardee, or any great deal more civic common-sense than the next guy.
Cite please.Surprisingly, roughly half of them.
Cite please.
You've just unwittingly imitated the original roots of gun control in the South: worries about how "those other people" are going to act, or are perceived to act, resulted in laws that affected everyone.Over the years that I worked in one,we saw, almost nightly the "issues" with this. Esp. from these urban "hip hop" clubs, and the clubs around the college campuses.
You've just unwittingly imitated the original roots of gun control in the South: worries about how "those other people" are going to act, or are perceived to act, resulted in laws that affected everyone.
I disagree. The relevant criterion should be intoxication, not location. It should be perfectly legal to carry in a bar while not intoxicated. Why should I have to disarm myself when out with friends or if I'm a designated driver? Isn't the latter what we want people to do?Unlikely in the extreme. For precisely the reasons you mentioned.