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    Really disturbing..Dave Workmans article WSP asking for info on AR-15 sales

    WSP jars gun dealers, sets off firestorm, ATF ‘not consulted’

    A detective with the Washington State Patrol ignited a firestorm yesterday when licensed gundealers across the Evergreen State received a letter asking for documents listing sales of any AR15 rifle over the past nine months, along with the names and personal information of people who bought those guns.


    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...-not-consulted

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    They want info on all AR sales, and lowers, for the last 9 months to supposedly track down ONE missing/stolen AR? Ya right. There's a foul stench in the state of Patrol. For some reason, I have my doubts that they came up with this hair brained scheme on their own. I want to know who ordered it.

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    I dont know what is worse the fact they mailed the letter, or the fact they felt comfortable enough knowing the law and they still went ahead and mailed the letter with out fear of prosecution.
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    I sure thought higher of the WSP before this stunt. I hope this was a rogue act of stupidity and not reflective of the general attitude of those in charge.
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    I think I'll ask a few dealers in the area if they got the letter, and if they responded. I'll post back with the results.
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    Like DOL isn't already sharing all that information.
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    If their reason is legit, did they really expect someone to take a stolen WSP AR to a dealer to sell it? That thing was a gun show special for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Like DOL isn't already sharing all that information.
    Not on rifles they aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnarlyWino View Post
    I sure thought higher of the WSP before this stunt. I hope this was a rogue act of stupidity and not reflective of the general attitude of those in charge.
    I think your second sentence is probably the answer. I don't think there is any way in hell Batiste would have allowed this if he had been consulted first.
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    So i made it down to Gators Guns in Kelso today and started a little discussion on this. I asked them if they received the request, and if they had responded yet. Yes, they received the request but hadn't responded yet (but were planning to). I reminded them that such requests had to be searching for specific information, not like what was asked. They agreed with me and said they'd call ATF to check whether they really needed to respond to it.

    Only made it to one gun shop before someone called, needing a favor. Anyone else talked to any gun shop owners about this?
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    WHo cares who ordered this crap! Its illegal as hell! Someone needs to get the thier arses down to WSP office and shred those documents. SOunds more like a hit list then investigative one... Can I file a complaint somewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevinWKuska View Post
    WHo cares who ordered this crap! Its illegal as hell! Someone needs to get the thier arses down to WSP office and shred those documents. SOunds more like a hit list then investigative one... Can I file a complaint somewhere?
    Attorney General comes to mind. Other options might be Thurston County Sheriff (the county Olympia is in) and/or BATFE.
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    The Firearms Academy of Seattle, being an FFL holder, recieved it's letter. It is phrased as a request, not a command.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Hayes View Post
    The Firearms Academy of Seattle, being an FFL holder, recieved it's letter. It is phrased as a request, not a command.
    Marty, The BATFE noted that there were looking to see if it was even legal for FFL's to divulge this information. Do you have any input on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Like DOL isn't already sharing all that information.
    DOL could only share info on handgun sales. Long guns aren't recorded for the state and receivers aren't recorded unless it is a pistol/revolver receiver/frame (ie a stripped 1911 or J frame.)

    I got the letter and was at first going to comply till I read Dave's article and realized that I didn't need to respond to this request from WSP. I don't know everything and the longer I'm in this business the more I learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEROS72 View Post
    WSP jars gun dealers, sets off firestorm, ATF ‘not consulted’

    A detective with the Washington State Patrol ignited a firestorm yesterday when licensed gundealers across the Evergreen State received a letter asking for documents listing sales of any AR15 rifle over the past nine months, along with the names and personal information of people who bought those guns.


    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...-not-consulted
    Needs a subpoena duces tecum for each individual dealer to get this information. Would have to show cause before a judge, and broadbrush doesn't cut it.

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    I would like to know which FFLs did supply the info, I would make sure I never purchased anything there again and would encourage everyone I know not to spend another dime with them again. Of course I feel that way about any business that would give Law Enforcement my personal info without a warrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    I would like to know which FFLs did supply the info, I would make sure I never purchased anything there again and would encourage everyone I know not to spend another dime with them again. Of course I feel that way about any business that would give Law Enforcement my personal info without a warrent.
    You are absolutely correct on that matter do you know any way we can find out a list of all the company's that sent that info in on request or is that protected under some bogus new law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911er View Post
    You are absolutely correct on that matter do you know any way we can find out a list of all the company's that sent that info in on request or is that protected under some bogus new law.

    would this be a matter of public record after the WSP was done with it?

    If so that is some scary **** right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911er View Post
    You are absolutely correct on that matter do you know any way we can find out a list of all the company's that sent that info in on request or is that protected under some bogus new law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky508 View Post
    would this be a matter of public record after the WSP was done with it?

    If so that is some scary **** right there.
    Should be. Not one of the exemptions I read in RCW. They'll probably claim confidentiality and force one to go to court to get this info released. Newspapers and Broadcast Media has to do this all the time.

    Maybe someone should get a Newspaper or TV Station on this "Story".

    BTW, Police Agencies, most notably the FBI, got their "mammary glands in a wringer" over this kind of record collection several years ago. Courts made them destroy their files.
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    Complaint department located... See nra

    I recieved email from the NRA today addressing this problem and a list of elected officials to respond to. There is a long list of people to register a complaint with.

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    Dear Detective Gundermann,

    In reply to your request for information regarding the sales of any AR rifles or lowers, please, get bent.

    Thank you for you time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky508 View Post
    Dear Detective Gundermann,
    In reply to your request for information regarding the sales of any AR rifles or lowers, please, get bent.

    Thank you for you time. If you have any more questions, please write them down on a piece of paper, and shove them up your ***hole.


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    Simple, but seems to get the point across...

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    Wow, Just freaking WOW.

    Still cant believe they sent the letter....
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