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    Concealed carry

    It seems as though the legislation will be a "shall issue" type of legislation. Its still early to declare it as such yet, but this is what's bouncing around. A background check and a fee and your able to carry. Not exactly what we wanted, but it's better than not having the right to carry at all.

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    Where did you get this information? :-)

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    It seems our conservative ( smaller govt & less taxes ) legislators are not going to listen to the people that elected them , what I am also hearing is the Bill is already written as shall issue , they are just holding it in cue to be introduced in a few months. They are giving us the finger & telling us, JUST LIKE WHAT WE GIVE YOU AND **** !


    Once this legislation get's introduced we have to get their attention somehow. Rally or a Lobby Day, something...or all is lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    It seems our conservative ( smaller govt & less taxes ) legislators are not going to listen to the people that elected them , what I am also hearing is the Bill is already written as shall issue , they are just holding it in cue to be introduced in a few months. They are giving us the finger & telling us, JUST LIKE WHAT WE GIVE YOU AND **** !


    Once this legislation get's introduced we have to get their attention somehow. Rally or a Lobby Day, something...or all is lost.
    We could go camp out in the capitol? Court order? Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    It seems as though the legislation will be a "shall issue" type of legislation. Its still early to declare it as such yet, but this is what's bouncing around. A background check and a fee and your able to carry. Not exactly what we wanted, but it's better than not having the right to carry at all.
    What is your source? I talked with one of my reps' assistants and he said there was no bill even drafted as of this week.
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    Will a Shall Issue permit system rescind open carry rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    It seems as though the legislation will be a "shall issue" type of legislation. Its still early to declare it as such yet, but this is what's bouncing around. A background check and a fee and your able to carry. Not exactly what we wanted, but it's better than not having the right to carry at all.
    You're going to need to post some data to back that up. Speculation only hurts the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    Will a Shall Issue permit system rescind open carry rights?
    It is my opinion that some form of carry would have to remain a "right", not a permitted "privilage".
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    some form of cc on a rainy day would sure help to keep the gun dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    Will a Shall Issue permit system rescind open carry rights?
    It depends on how the bill is written. I would assume since we can OC now with no permit, that if a shall issue bill was passed and OC without a permit was in there, we could take it to court and win.
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    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now. It could still change in the future. Yeah, apparently they don't really care what we have to say. They want to keep tabs on us, and by going in and doing the background check and paperwork, they will have access to more information and will know that we conceal carry. This is what the United States is all about these days; tracking and quantifying and keeping tabs on everybody in the country. Freedom? Right. I wish it wasn't true.

    I like to consider myself a patriot that stays involved, but everyday, the gov. pushes back and says "No, you are not as free as you think. Sit back down".

    I see no change to come anytime soon. Even people I have cast my vote for who claimed they love freedom and the constitution are spitting in my face and doing the same crap every other politician does.


    The constitution and the deceleration of independence state that we have certain rights when a government becomes too big and unresponsive.

    Perhaps it is time all citizens across the country who are tired of this invoke that right.


    Sorry, rant mode.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now. It could still change in the future. Yeah, apparently they don't really care what we have to say. They want to keep tabs on us, and by going in and doing the background check and paperwork, they will have access to more information and will know that we conceal carry. This is what the United States is all about these days; tracking and quantifying and keeping tabs on everybody in the country. Freedom? Right. I wish it wasn't true.

    I like to consider myself a patriot that stays involved, but everyday, the gov. pushes back and says "No, you are not as free as you think. Sit back down".

    I see no change to come anytime soon. Even people I have cast my vote for who claimed they love freedom and the constitution are spitting in my face and doing the same crap every other politician does.


    The constitution and the deceleration of independence state that we have certain rights when a government becomes too big and unresponsive.

    Perhaps it is time all citizens across the country who are tired of this invoke that right.


    Sorry, rant mode.....
    why can't you reveal your source? that makes no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now. It could still change in the future. Yeah, apparently they don't really care what we have to say. They want to keep tabs on us, and by going in and doing the background check and paperwork, they will have access to more information and will know that we conceal carry. This is what the United States is all about these days; tracking and quantifying and keeping tabs on everybody in the country. Freedom? Right. I wish it wasn't true.

    I like to consider myself a patriot that stays involved, but everyday, the gov. pushes back and says "No, you are not as free as you think. Sit back down".

    I see no change to come anytime soon. Even people I have cast my vote for who claimed they love freedom and the constitution are spitting in my face and doing the same crap every other politician does.


    The constitution and the deceleration of independence state that we have certain rights when a government becomes too big and unresponsive.

    Perhaps it is time all citizens across the country who are tired of this invoke that right.


    Sorry, rant mode.....
    Forgive me for being a "little" skeptical, but why can you not reveal your source?
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    Maybe the source is a Zombie who wants to remain unknown....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now. It could still change in the future. Yeah, apparently they don't really care what we have to say. They want to keep tabs on us, and by going in and doing the background check and paperwork, they will have access to more information and will know that we conceal carry. This is what the United States is all about these days; tracking and quantifying and keeping tabs on everybody in the country. Freedom? Right. I wish it wasn't true.

    I like to consider myself a patriot that stays involved, but everyday, the gov. pushes back and says "No, you are not as free as you think. Sit back down".

    I see no change to come anytime soon. Even people I have cast my vote for who claimed they love freedom and the constitution are spitting in my face and doing the same crap every other politician does.


    The constitution and the deceleration of independence state that we have certain rights when a government becomes too big and unresponsive.

    Perhaps it is time all citizens across the country who are tired of this invoke that right.


    Sorry, rant mode.....
    I hate to be the person that has to point this out, but it seems to me as though this is a post that is fishing for some kind of anti-goverment movement talk. Largly based on the candid nature of the information offered and how quickly it turned into anti government and anti politician talk.

    I served my country, and I love this nation as if it were my own family, and nothing in this world will change that. And for that reason I am concerned about this type of talk. If you don't like politicians, vote for someone who is not a politician. After all, political placements were not meant to be full time jobs. But to change a discussion on rights into a political statement that is clearly about over throwing the government is not the way to go about things.

    Then again, that is just my opinion.
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    I understand both sides of the discussion. I too am generally skeptical of the information until I can trust the source. But also knowing how some departments and agencies are run, the people "whistleblowing" have things to lose by releasing information. I value people willing to take that risk, and so if I receive info in that manner. I make every attempt to keep that source secret in respect to the source. Even though all the information is public, if the individual is found "releasing" info. It can make that individuals employment very difficult, or possibly end it. Regardless of how right or wrong it is. So keep that in mind as you make accusations of the source. Someone may have risked themselves to reveal that information. Remember there is always at least 2 sides to every situation.
    I have no info regarding the OP statements, I'm "just sayin."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    I hate to be the person that has to point this out, but it seems to me as though this is a post that is fishing for some kind of anti-goverment movement talk. Largly based on the candid nature of the information offered and how quickly it turned into anti government and anti politician talk.
    Exactly what I was thinking... anti government to the extreme...

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    I support constitutional carry in all 50 States. Having said that, if Wisconsin is stuck with a "shall issue" permit system that requires training to get the "permission slip", I will attend the classes necessary and then provide the course to WI Carry participants "for cost" or "pass the hat" as I would have to travel 3000 miles round trip to do the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    I support constitutional carry in all 50 States. Having said that, if Wisconsin is stuck with a "shall issue" permit system that requires training to get the "permission slip", I will attend the classes necessary and then provide the course to WI Carry participants "for cost" or "pass the hat" as I would have to travel 3000 miles round trip to do the course.
    You don't have to worry about that my friend, that's what I do for a living. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalicoJack10 View Post
    You don't have to worry about that my friend, that's what I do for a living. Lol
    Then Jack, that would make two of us doing it for cost (or free).
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    Any ideas on reciprocity yet? I have MN and non resident PA...if I move to WI and homestead in MN...will I have to get the WI CCW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake161 View Post
    Well guys, I can't really reveal my source, but rest assured it is accurate as of now. It could still change in the future. Yeah, apparently they don't really care what we have to say. They want to keep tabs on us, and by going in and doing the background check and paperwork, they will have access to more information and will know that we conceal carry. This is what the United States is all about these days; tracking and quantifying and keeping tabs on everybody in the country. Freedom? Right. I wish it wasn't true.

    I like to consider myself a patriot that stays involved, but everyday, the gov. pushes back and says "No, you are not as free as you think. Sit back down".

    I see no change to come anytime soon. Even people I have cast my vote for who claimed they love freedom and the constitution are spitting in my face and doing the same crap every other politician does.


    The constitution and the deceleration of independence state that we have certain rights when a government becomes too big and unresponsive.

    Perhaps it is time all citizens across the country who are tired of this invoke that right.


    Sorry, rant mode.....


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    It was written into the declaration of Independence by our founding fathers for a reason, so I have to disagree with the Moderator, According to the founding fathers that penned it into the document that founded this republic, it would be Lawful . So no it's not an illegal or an unlawful act if you win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Glock View Post
    Any ideas on reciprocity yet? I have MN and non resident PA...if I move to WI and homestead in MN...will I have to get the WI CCW?
    And this is what frustrates me. We have no clue. I just want someone to introduce a bill, any bill so that 'we' can start working on it. It seems 'they' are all putting us off and telling us that the budget comes 1st. That's fine, it doesn't mean the bill can't be introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    And this is what frustrates me. We have no clue. I just want someone to introduce a bill, any bill so that 'we' can start working on it. It seems 'they' are all putting us off and telling us that the budget comes 1st. That's fine, it doesn't mean the bill can't be introduced.
    True...even though I don't live there yet, is there anything I can do to help hurry it along? Is there someone I can email or call? I have a compelling story to tell that may have some impact.

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