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  • Conceal carry but dress confortably and acording to season.

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  • Open carry with caution, maybe open carry among family/friends but conceal carry in public.

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Thread: Poll: When SB234 Becomes A Law How Will You Carry

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    Poll: When SB234 Becomes A Law How Will You Carry

    When SB234 Becomes a law (hoping) how will you change, if at all, the way you carry?

    As for myself I will continue to conceal carry, except instead of having to wear a sweater and feel uncomfortable I can just wear a T-Shirt and not worry about printing.

    For me this bill is about restoring a right and I probably will open carry it every once in a great while, while hunting, fishing, to exercise that right, but Im really excited that I wont have to worry about printing.

    My reason for this is that when I think of the reason I carry (to protect myself and my family) I think about the dangers of being in an area where a crime will be committed:

    Ideally, the criminal comes in with a concealed weapon, sees me open carrying and is discouraged to commit the crime in the first place, wonderful.

    But I am afraid of the instance where the criminal comes in with a concealed weapon, sees me carrying and thinks "Ok no guards or cops but theres a citizen with a gun, Ill take him out first." and not even give me the chance to defend myself.

    So as for me, it will be 99% concealed (and confortable).

    What about you?

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    It is very unlikely that when a criminal sees you with a gun that they will "just take you out first". Instead, they'll wait for a softer target. This makes the most sense to me and is confirmed by real world experience. There are no examples (which doesn't mean it can't happen because it DOES happen to cops occasionally) of the situation that you fear with a lawful OCer.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...-argument.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    It is very unlikely that when a criminal sees you with a gun that they will "just take you out first". Instead, they'll wait for a softer target. This makes the most sense to me and is confirmed by real world experience. There are no examples (which doesn't mean it can't happen because it DOES happen to cops occasionally) of the situation that you fear with a lawful OCer.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-...-argument.html
    I agree that in the case of me walking down the road alone, ya they probably will wait for a soft target but in a robbery or shooting (Virginia Tech style) I fear it will do more harm to OC then not. Am I wrong here?

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    I dont think there's a right or wrong here. We cant project what a potential threat will do or how they will behave. We just have to react accordingly to how they do so.

    Nor do I think there is a right/wrong in favor of, or against OC or CC. I think there are times and places and weather/attire situations in which one sometimes works better than the other. I'll adapt accordingly.

    My intent will be to OC whenever/wherever I lawfully can do so in most situations.
    It is, will be, my preferred method for a lot of reasons.
    But,there are times, or attire I might be wearing at times, when OC may not be appropriate. It will depend on where Im going, (am I going to the store, or am I going to a nephew's birthday party with a bunch of toddlers running about? am I going to the beach, or to a very casual eatery, in warm-weather attire? etc.)

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    Wow what an excellent article. Ill have to ponder a bit on it. The stages of a violent crime, wow, thats right on the money I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod0990 View Post
    Wow what an excellent article. Ill have to ponder a bit on it. The stages of a violent crime, wow, thats right on the money I think.
    I agree. I cannot plan for any conceivable eventuality. If I were seriously worried about my safety I'd OC and CC a back up gun. But, in the preponderance of situations I think OC trumps CC. And the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that it makes the most sense.

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    Oh, I agree, in most situations it does indeed. OC'd in Arizona for the 2 yrs or so I was stationed there. It most definitely has an effect.

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    The OC of a firearm making the carrier a target argument has been used for years. But the facts and statistics don't uphold that side of the debate. Statistics show repeatedly that the majority of crimes don't have real physical injury. Many times the weapon is not even displayed, it's only implied that there is one. The statements from criminals uphold that if they knew a potential victim was armed, they would many times avoid a confrontation and move on to an easier target. Why? because even criminals have that innate self preservation. It's also common sense, not that criminals really follow that but still. If you have one target where your victim is obviously armed, and one victim that isn't. Which target will the criminals choose. The unarmed almost every time. Think of where most crimes happen, is it at a gun store? No, is it at a Police Station? No, is it at a gun range? No, is it at a Law Enforcement convention? No, is it at an OC meet? No, where does it happen? Where the victim is presumed to be unarmed. A gas station, store, on a sidewalk, in a park, in a school or other area where the potential victim is assumed to be unarmed. There have been documented situations where an Open Carrier has deterred crime by their simple presence, or been able to prevent a more serious negative outcome. But I will reiterate what was stated earlier and many times before, where has the mere Open Carrying caused them to be a victim?
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    You guys should really read the link by 77zach. It does favor OC but the wealth of information that can be gained from that article is incredible.

    I think most of you make valid points. After reading the article Im leaning a bit towards OC but Im still not there yet. Ill just have to wait and see how this law plays out.

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    I'll OC when it's socially comfortable, at least at first, though I hope to get more serious with OCing once we've established some social accepability and LE recognition of rights. I'll be happy with the change, but I'm still not eager to risk martyrdom. I'll OC when driving, kaying, hiking, rural flea markets, etc. I think I'll try to organize a little OC picnic/barbeque type get-together with my many licensed friends and family members over the summer.

    For now, I'll just CC with impunity, probably a light OWB leather holster with a long shirt covering most/all of it and not care about printing/exposure.
    This will keep 95+% of people from noticing at first, and make it hard for any responding officers to argue that I'm trying to make a scene with an OC gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod0990 View Post
    I agree that in the case of me walking down the road alone, ya they probably will wait for a soft target but in a robbery or shooting (Virginia Tech style) I fear it will do more harm to OC then not. Am I wrong here?
    So, people who go out of their way to commit crimes in "gun free zones" and kill themselves at the first sign of police resistance, are going to shoot you because you have a gun?

    Really, I think not. Not if you have a lick of SA.

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    i will open carry from day 1 every where i legally can!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    I'll OC when it's socially comfortable, at least at first, though I hope to get more serious with OCing once we've established some social accepability and LE recognition of rights. I'll be happy with the change, but I'm still not eager to risk martyrdom. I'll OC when driving, kaying, hiking, rural flea markets, etc. I think I'll try to organize a little OC picnic/barbeque type get-together with my many licensed friends and family members over the summer.

    For now, I'll just CC with impunity, probably a light OWB leather holster with a long shirt covering most/all of it and not care about printing/exposure.
    This will keep 95+% of people from noticing at first, and make it hard for any responding officers to argue that I'm trying to make a scene with an OC gun.
    Ya I think Im with you on this one.

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    I didn't see my option.

    "Open Carry all the time, it just makes sense."
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77zach View Post
    It is very unlikely that when a criminal sees you with a gun that they will "just take you out first".
    It flies in the face of everything that CCers preach about why they CC.

    "The criminals are cowards" is what it comes down too. And it's true. So, do the cowards looking for a soft target want to 'take out the guy with the AK pistol' first? Really? Who is suggesting that with a straight face?

    I think the number of times it has happened speaks for itself. How many CCers have drawn and fired? How many OCers.

    We're done here. This is a stupid argument and the people who pose it already disagree with themselves, they just ignore it for the sake of hatred; their true priority.
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    open carry

    I want to have the right if I choose to carry openly, but I will mostly carry concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod0990 View Post
    I agree that in the case of me walking down the road alone, ya they probably will wait for a soft target but in a robbery or shooting (Virginia Tech style) I fear it will do more harm to OC then not. Am I wrong here?
    Does the fact that it has never happened help? ;-)
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod0990 View Post
    I agree that in the case of me walking down the road alone, ya they probably will wait for a soft target but in a robbery or shooting (Virginia Tech style) I fear it will do more harm to OC then not. Am I wrong here?
    But which are you MOST likely to run into? I would rather deter a criminal and not have to worry bout my firearm jamming, not drawing fast enough etc.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by deserteagle50 View Post
    i will open carry from day 1 every where i legally can!!
    +1 Amen brother. Help desensitize the new the Floridians that are new to OC. Nice thing is hlf of them are from Mich (who already has OC) and the other half are from Indiana and Ohio (both have OC) So it shouldn't take too long.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Does the fact that it has never happened help? ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    It flies in the face of everything that CCers preach about why they CC.

    "The criminals are cowards" is what it comes down too. And it's true. So, do the cowards looking for a soft target want to 'take out the guy with the AK pistol' first? Really? Who is suggesting that with a straight face?

    I think the number of times it has happened speaks for itself. How many CCers have drawn and fired? How many OCers.

    We're done here. This is a stupid argument and the people who pose it already disagree with themselves, they just ignore it for the sake of hatred; their true priority.

    Why all the hostility? I started this thread in hopes to get the topic going. You know theres educating people and theres being arrogant about your opinions.

    If my arguments (didnt think I was arguing...simply discussing) is "stupid" then dont post here.

    And no "we're" not done here...you might be but I still want to hear people's opinions on this and not merely push my own on others.

    The "hatred priority" here seems to be yours.

    Rod
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    Quote Originally Posted by protect our rights View Post
    But which are you MOST likely to run into? I would rather deter a criminal and not have to worry bout my firearm jamming, not drawing fast enough etc.
    Good point lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod0990 View Post
    Why all the hostility? I started this thread in hopes to get the topic going. You know theres educating people and theres being arrogant about your opinions.

    If my arguments (didnt think I was arguing...simply discussing) is "stupid" then dont post here.

    And no "we're" not done here...you might be but I still want to hear people's opinions on this and not merely push my own on others.

    The "hatred priority" here seems to be yours.

    Rod
    I'm irritated to see the same dis-logic over and over again... Tell the same lie and eventually they believe it. I merely aim to make sure that lie doesn't get a larger foothold than it already has.

    I'm allowed to be irritated by damaging lies. I'm allowed to let it show. I'm allowed to rebut lies.

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    As traveling comes along with the territory with my job field, I will always have a firearm with me. I would never OC on the job, but when it comes to my personal time, I will be thankful to comfortably OC, in small areas that I know won't cause a scene and always with the lady friend, or close friend at that (for LEO insurance). I don't mind sticking my .38 in my pocket holster for the mall. I know, I know, I am giving in to the oppressors! But their are children at the mall and lots of teenagers that hangout for hours and I do not want the extra eyes as I enter the theater or store. I could care less for walking into an open debate with some hot-head and like to keep to my own business.

    I do have a question. Does age have a factor in OCing? I am 24 years young and have had my CWFL since I turned of age. But my biggest concern is with being singled out not just by LEOs, but folk who might think I am "unqualified". I am not a flashy dresser, nor do I like to stick out, but being 6'6'', it is hard to go completely incognito with the crowd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willy556 View Post
    As traveling comes along with the territory with my job field, I will always have a firearm with me. I would never OC on the job, but when it comes to my personal time, I will be thankful to comfortably OC, in small areas that I know won't cause a scene and always with the lady friend, or close friend at that (for LEO insurance). I don't mind sticking my .38 in my pocket holster for the mall. I know, I know, I am giving in to the oppressors! But their are children at the mall and lots of teenagers that hangout for hours and I do not want the extra eyes as I enter the theater or store. I could care less for walking into an open debate with some hot-head and like to keep to my own business.

    I do have a question. Does age have a factor in OCing? I am 24 years young and have had my CWFL since I turned of age. But my biggest concern is with being singled out not just by LEOs, but folk who might think I am "unqualified". I am not a flashy dresser, nor do I like to stick out, but being 6'6'', it is hard to go completely incognito with the crowd
    Hah, I'm 24, 6'2" 225lb, and roll with clean jeans and t-shirt, and worn to the ground sneakers. Be right there with ya...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*'Phoenix'*~ View Post
    Hah, I'm 24, 6'2" 225lb, and roll with clean jeans and t-shirt, and worn to the ground sneakers. Be right there with ya...
    I think it would be great if the younger generation expressed more interest in this. I think living in Central Florida, I deal with UCF students on a daily basis, no matter where I go. This could just be me, but it seems like they are misinformed liberals, hell bent on trying to change the world, one witty youtube video and espresso at a time!

    I am not saying OC is for everyone or everywhere, commonsense be the judge. But I think it would debunk some of the myths behind open carry from "Wyatt Earp" to normal lady/gent, going about their day or some gung-ho "militia member" waiting in the alley to pick a fight, to an average joe/jane, expressing his/her freedom as a citizen of this great country, to protect him/herself and loved ones.

    I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. Everyone can share their bad "experience" of a friend of a friend of a friend and so forth. But it comes down to my need to feel safe in my environment, knowing I would never try to put myself in harms way, nor go looking for it and how much am I willing to risk to put all my faith and personal protection in someone I don't even know. It only took a couple of minutes to lose a dear friend of mine and I still carry his photo in my wallet.

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